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04-01-2024 , 02:08 PM
Got to love JK
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04-02-2024 , 12:08 AM
Yes, and no. I fundamentally agree with her position on trans issues. Maybe someone of her stature who is uncancellable does need to draw a line in the sand by using provocative language to make a point, but in most cases I would not call a transwoman a man.
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04-02-2024 , 01:48 PM
As a rule you go with politeness and live-and-let-live, but JKR was discussing characters, some of them criminals, who 'push it' in a manner hostile to women's rights, making their actual sex the issue. Police Scotland have blinked first and said they definitely won't be charging JKR. Although it's not a judicial precedent, it should mean that 'misgendering' cannot in itself be criminalised, even if you don't have JKR's profile and resources. She's performed a public service by establishing that straight off.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-68712471

The law is still a bad, stupid and unnecessary one (there is no such 'rising tide of hatred' as the Scottish First Minister claims -- the wee laddie's far too young to remember the 1970s, a more difficult time in all sorts of ways), and the police don't welcome it and don't want the pointless workload.
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04-02-2024 , 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
As a rule you go with politeness and live-and-let-live, but JKR was discussing characters, some of them criminals, who 'push it' in a manner hostile to women's rights, making their actual sex the issue. Police Scotland have blinked first and said they definitely won't be charging JKR. Although it's not a judicial precedent, it should mean that 'misgendering' cannot in itself be criminalised, even if you don't have JKR's profile and resources. She's performed a public service by establishing that straight off.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-68712471

The law is still a bad, stupid and unnecessary one (there is no such 'rising tide of hatred' as the Scottish First Minister claims -- the wee laddie's far too young to remember the 1970s, a more difficult time in all sorts of ways), and the police don't welcome it and don't want the pointless workload.
This made me lol
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Police Scotland said a large proportion of the complaints it had received concerned a speech made by Mr Yousaf in 2020 when, as justice secretary, he highlighted the number of white people holding prominent positions in Scotland.
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04-02-2024 , 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
As a rule you go with politeness and live-and-let-live, but JKR was discussing characters, some of them criminals, who 'push it' in a manner hostile to women's rights, making their actual sex the issue. Police Scotland have blinked first and said they definitely won't be charging JKR. Although it's not a judicial precedent, it should mean that 'misgendering' cannot in itself be criminalised, even if you don't have JKR's profile and resources. She's performed a public service by establishing that straight off.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-68712471

The law is still a bad, stupid and unnecessary one (there is no such 'rising tide of hatred' as the Scottish First Minister claims -- the wee laddie's far too young to remember the 1970s, a more difficult time in all sorts of ways), and the police don't welcome it and don't want the pointless workload.
Indeed. Rarely in the history of law making has so much nonsense talked by so many been debunked so quickly
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04-02-2024 , 09:17 PM
Hate speech laws in general should have no place at all, no exceptions, in western societies, because giving judges (or even worse, "government agencies") the power to censor content on the basis of their own particular reading of some content, is always infinitely worse than the worst.effects of hate speech can ever be.

This is a line that should never be crossed
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04-03-2024 , 12:12 AM
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Police Scotland said a large proportion of the complaints it had received concerned a speech made by Mr Yousaf in 2020 when, as justice secretary, he highlighted the number of white people holding prominent positions in Scotland.
lol'd.
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04-03-2024 , 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
As a rule you go with politeness and live-and-let-live, but JKR was discussing characters, some of them criminals, who 'push it' in a manner hostile to women's rights, making their actual sex the issue. Police Scotland have blinked first and said they definitely won't be charging JKR. Although it's not a judicial precedent, it should mean that 'misgendering' cannot in itself be criminalised, even if you don't have JKR's profile and resources. She's performed a public service by establishing that straight off.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-68712471

The law is still a bad, stupid and unnecessary one (there is no such 'rising tide of hatred' as the Scottish First Minister claims -- the wee laddie's far too young to remember the 1970s, a more difficult time in all sorts of ways), and the police don't welcome it and don't want the pointless workload.
Almost 4,000 complaints received in the first 2 days.
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04-03-2024 , 02:28 PM
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skirt wearing porridge-gobblers,

from now on, bad posting WILL result in me sending the police round
Reported for Hate Speech !

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04-05-2024 , 01:42 PM
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04-09-2024 , 12:19 PM
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04-10-2024 , 01:12 PM
We have some numbers in for the new Hate Crime legislation.

Police Scotland had previously said they would investigate every single hate crime report. This was a mere 2 weeks after they said they would no longer be investigating some lower level crimes such as theft.

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04-10-2024 , 02:00 PM
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04-10-2024 , 02:06 PM
I gather 'hate crime' reports now outnumber reports of all other crimes put together in Scotland. The First Minister claims that this proves the law is needed. It actually proves something quite different and the police, even though they're dismissing almost all reports, clearly can't be expected to handle this and also do their essential job.
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04-10-2024 , 02:14 PM
The hate crime reports are known to be the result of a campaign by people to report alleged anti-white offences in protest at the law which they feel restricts their right to racially abuse people.
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04-10-2024 , 02:17 PM
Lets see once the trolling and pent up demand has played out.
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04-10-2024 , 03:03 PM
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The hate crime reports are known to be the result of a campaign by people to report alleged anti-white offences in protest at the law which they feel restricts their right to racially abuse people.
Can you post the data on this, and the people involved in the campaign, or a link to it?
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04-10-2024 , 03:22 PM
I don't know if the full dataset is available but there are numerous reports in the media such as

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Police Scotland has said only a small number of the thousands of reports lodged so far under Scotland’s controversial hate crime act were authentic.

The force released data showing 3.8% of the 7,152 complaints it received in the first week the hate crime act was in force were judged to be legitimate. Two hundred and forty complaints were logged as hate crimes and 30 as non-hate incidents.

The figures follow a bitter dispute over the justification for the Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Act. It seeks to criminalise hatred towards minority and vulnerable groups, but has been dogged by mis-statements from ministers and misrepresentation by some of its critics.

Spare a thought for poor Elrazor and diebitter's keyboards.

Police Scotland said the vast majority of reports received during this period were anonymous and submitted online. “These were assessed against the new legislation and no further action is being taken,” it added.

The figures appear to substantiate warnings the police would be inundated with spurious complaints because of campaigns to undermine the act’s credibility.
Spare a thought for Elrazor and diebitter's keyboards.
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04-11-2024 , 02:19 PM
Westminster goss

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The latest madness from plotters scheming to oust Rishi Sunak after 2 May’s local elections is to persuade Boris Johnson to endorse Priti Patel – Liz Truss then piles in and, hey presto, the former home secretary is miraculously installed as prime minister to popular acclaim.

Sunak is pleading with his No 10 team to stick with him rather than quit now while still employable. Talk around Downing Street is that he’s privately promising to look after them following the almost inevitable defeat. Nobody buys Sunak’s denials. They all think he’s contemplating life after politics.
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04-11-2024 , 02:50 PM
Arrived home to find an election leaflet, with the union flag on the front and back cover. At first glance I assumed it was from whichever white power party is currently popular, but it turns out it's from Labour.
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04-11-2024 , 04:39 PM
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The hate crime reports are known to be the result of a campaign by people to report alleged anti-white offences in protest at the law which they feel restricts their right to racially abuse people.
Would anti white speech be persecuted under the act? Because there is plenty in a lot of currently popular books, does the act address books as well?
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04-11-2024 , 07:34 PM
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LONDON — The right-wing political party set up by U.K. Brexiteer Nigel Farage has apologized after publicly firing one of its election candidates for being “inactive” — when the candidate had in fact died.

Reform UK admitted it didn’t realize that Tommy ****well, its election candidate in York Central, had perished when he was sacked for lack of activity.

“We can’t afford to have people doing nothing in an election year,” a party spokesperson had told local news outlet the York Press.
https://www.politico.eu/article/nige...s-out-dead-uk/
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04-12-2024 , 01:05 AM
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Arrived home to find an election leaflet, with the union flag on the front and back cover. At first glance I assumed it was from whichever white power party is currently popular, but it turns out it's from Labour.
and today cosying up to The Daily Mail.

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04-12-2024 , 01:16 AM
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Labour may fail to grab target seats as young voters turn away over Gaza and climate

Party figures say decision to tack to right on issues such as immigration could also diminish predicted landslide

Labour risks losing in a number of its target seats as previously loyal progressive voters turn away from the party, senior party figures and polling experts have warned.

Experts said Keir Starmer’s party could struggle to win as many as a dozen of its key targets, and could even lose two of the seats it now holds, as a result of alienating some Muslims and younger progressive voters angered by its stance on Gaza and the climate crisis.

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The decision by Starmer, the Labour leader, to tack to the right on issues such as the economy, immigration and the environment has helped win over older white voters who backed Brexit at the referendum.

But those decisions have also upset many traditional Labour voters in urban areas in particular. Among those voters’ chief concerns is the party’s decision to abandon its commitment to spend £28bn a year on green projects and Starmer’s defence of Israel’s military actions in Gaza.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...za-and-climate

The pressure will tell eventually if we dont waste our votes by letting them take us for granted.
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04-12-2024 , 04:57 AM
If the young are turned off labour cos climate, I'm starting to feel better about humanity. Hope KS reinstates those climate commitments.
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