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06-28-2023 , 01:09 AM

#9576

Dunyain

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2023 Posts: 5,182

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Originally Posted by 57 On Red

We are wiser. Britain's distinction is that since the Restoration it has always reformed just enough to avoid revolution, defeating Marx's view that the revolution was most likely to happen in England.

And obviously building on its colonial success of promoting diversity as a wedge to weaken cohesion among the proletariat.

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06-28-2023 , 09:00 PM

#9577

chezlaw

Limey Bastard

Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 48,876

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Originally Posted by Elrazor

Hard to find where we would disagree on these points. I'm probably less bullish on taking back utilities into public ownership than most itt (a question of priorities), but then I would not vote for any political party that threatened the integrity of the NHS, or indeed the BBC. The private sector might be able to do these things cheaper, but not better.

We have to have some pragmatism. After 40 odd years of unrelenting thatcherism there's far too much to do everything in one go. And much of it like Thames Water is an extemely complicated mess.

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06-29-2023 , 05:01 AM

#9578

J.E.C

old hand

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 1,303

It's amazing to me how he doesn't realise how much of a joke he is.

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06-29-2023 , 05:16 AM

#9579

J.E.C

old hand

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 1,303

And the Court of Appeal have just ruled that the Rwanda policy is unlawful.

Man this is a great morning

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06-29-2023 , 11:24 AM

#9580

chezlaw

Limey Bastard

Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 48,876

What's the country coming to when our government can't even spend vast amounts of money being viciously cruel to some refugees

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06-29-2023 , 02:25 PM

#9581

diebitter

Grotesquely Handsome

Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 66,365

It's so utterly ridiculous and callous

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06-30-2023 , 12:15 PM

#9582

jalfrezi

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 16,708

Beware the pitchforks and torches

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06-30-2023 , 01:49 PM

#9583

wazz

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Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 15,285

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Originally Posted by jalfrezi

Beware the pitchforks and torches

I've noticed a growing trend of new tech billionaires also being survivalists and preppers. Makes sense, but alongside all the resources they're hoarding, they need to ensure that those closes to them will remain loyal if and when things go south.

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06-30-2023 , 02:41 PM

#9584

diebitter

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Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 66,365

Yeah, I think it might come to that if the trend keeps going the way it's going.

What I don't get is billionaires being obsessed with getting into penis-shaped vehicles and going to strange places in them.

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06-30-2023 , 02:46 PM

#9585

diebitter

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Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 66,365

Also, very insightful article that covers the bases of historical background of when certain elections were won and lost and the reasons for it really well: https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ates-blue-wall

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07-01-2023 , 03:54 AM

#9586

jalfrezi

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Originally Posted by wazz

The dilemma they'll face is that in the lawless society they're prepping for there's no amount they can pay their security guards that will prevent them from murdering them and taking their wealth.

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07-01-2023 , 03:57 AM

#9587

jalfrezi

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Originally Posted by diebitter

Once you've won the mansions and yachts game you move onto the penis game.

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07-01-2023 , 05:11 AM

#9588

chezlaw

Limey Bastard

Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 48,876

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Originally Posted by jalfrezi

The dilemma they'll face is that in the lawless society they're prepping for there's no amount they can pay their security guards that will prevent them from murdering them and taking their wealth.

Wont be a dilemma for long. drones will do the job

That's part of the likely future if we dont take a democratic socialist type path

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07-01-2023 , 05:12 AM

#9589

chezlaw

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Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 48,876

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Originally Posted by diebitter

It's not new. they used to climb mountans, dangeorus exploration etc.

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07-01-2023 , 07:05 AM

#9590

wazz

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Originally Posted by jalfrezi

The dilemma they'll face is that in the lawless society they're prepping for there's no amount they can pay their security guards that will prevent them from murdering them and taking their wealth.

Yeah, that's kinda my point. And could in part explain why Zuckerberg is learning BJJ. Sadly, I think there are plenty in our world to take the concept of loyalty way too far and would in fact defend their masters after the world goes tits up, but I don't know if there's a good way to know for sure ahead of time which ones will and which ones won't.

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07-01-2023 , 07:03 PM

#9591

Husker

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Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 13,015

Anyone have a government that is capable of building a simple ferry that only needs to travel 20 miles from the mainland?

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07-02-2023 , 03:34 PM

#9592

57 On Red

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Well, Scotland doesn't, while the SNP's in power, because nationalist politics tends to favour cronyism, corruption and incompetence. Better not say too much more due to ongoing criminal investigations.

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07-02-2023 , 03:41 PM

#9593

57 On Red

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Originally Posted by J.E.C

And the Court of Appeal have just ruled that the Rwanda policy is unlawful.

Man this is a great morning

It was a stupid idea, it wasn't a practical attack on people-trafficking, and Johnson is out of office and his supporters aren't doing too well, so it's a thing of the past.

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07-03-2023 , 04:02 AM

#9594

SiMor29

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Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 4,905

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

What's the country coming to when our government can't even spend vast amounts of money being viciously cruel to some refugees

This is what brexit has come to - no tangible benefit and the only way they can keep up the charade is to build wedge issues that don't exist.

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07-05-2023 , 09:44 AM

#9595

chezlaw

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LONDON — U.K. and EU negotiators have agreed a draft deal on Britain’s re-entry into the Horizon Europe research program after months of hard-fought talks.

U.K. Prime Minister Rishi Sunak will be presented with the draft deal by officials this weekend ahead of a crunch meeting with European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen next Tuesday where the final agreement may be confirmed, two U.K. government officials — granted anonymity to speak about sensitive discussions — said.

One of the officials said Britain will re-join Horizon Europe, which has a €95.5 billion budget for the period 2021-27, and the Copernicus Earth observation program — but not Euratom’s nuclear energy R&D scheme, which both the British government and the U.K. nuclear sector consider “poor value for money,” the official said.

https://www.politico.eu/article/brit...-horizon-deal/

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07-06-2023 , 01:46 PM

#9596

chezlaw

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Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 48,876

What a tragedy that this can't be dismissed as lol implausible

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The water regulator has insisted it was powerless to stop Thames Water racking up mountains of debt due to a 'hands-off approach' under New Labour.

David Black, chief executive of Ofwat, told members of the House of Lords industry and regulators committee yesterday that the watchdog should have stepped in back in 2006 to prevent the water firm's then-owner, Australian investment group Macquarie, from borrowing too much.

But he said it was hamstrung by a lack of powers.

Borrowing spree: Water regulator Ofwat has insisted it was powerless to stop Thames Water racking up mountains of debt due to a 'hands-off approach' under Labour

'Going back to 2006, I think we should have stepped in at that point to stop companies [racking up debt],' Black told peers. 'At the time, we really didn't have the power to stop that happening.

'I think at that time, if we went back to the early 2000s, regulators across all sectors took a relatively hands-off approach to [borrowing].

'It happens in the energy sector, it happens in the transport sector, so we are very clear we think that companies need a prudent financing structure and some of these legacy financing structures need to be brought up to date.'

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/...ims-Ofwat.html

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07-06-2023 , 05:44 PM

#9597

BOIDS

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i dont get this one

if thames water cant service its debt then the ontario teachers pension fund and the china investment corporation and whoever else gave them the 7bn take a haircut. so what. am i supposed to feel bad about that

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07-06-2023 , 07:27 PM

#9598

chezlaw

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Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 48,876

Letting a private company asset strip and borrow vast sums to enrich themselves while leaving behind a strugging company facing long term infrastructure underinvestment and massive debts seems a bad way to run our water/etc resources.

I appreciate that this is some old fashioned left wing idea. Given how well everything is going with water and energy and transport and ... it's probably just me being silly.

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07-07-2023 , 03:46 AM

#9599

BOIDS

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Join Date: Apr 2017 Posts: 14,981

Run it by me once more

I should feel bad that it's debt and equity holders of this company that are getting ****ed rather than the taxpayer getting ****ed because ______