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10-16-2022 , 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Elrazor
The fact that you use this as a pejorative just proves my point and emphasises the difference between you/Jalfrezi and Chez.
Im not using it in anyway as a pejorative.

So try again.
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10-16-2022 , 07:59 AM
In that case, you're just wrong.
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10-16-2022 , 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
There is truth to it of course but that's the battle we have to keep fighting.

It's the idea that we can't win that is disasterous. Especially given it's so obvious that labour could be left wing and win.
It depends how "left wing"., doesn't it, and also it's probably moot now anyway as inflation is high* as is government debt, meaning there's not a huge amount a leftist government could do without exacerbating the problems.

* some economists are predicting it will fall next year, which I suspect is the Tories' best/only hope of winning the next election, though the economy was in good shape when they lost in 1997 after years of decadent governance.
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10-16-2022 , 08:00 AM
Bottom line its just a fact that a significant amount of left wing posters on here view Chez as covering for the right and deflecting issues.

Its possible this is just due to idiosyncrasies in the way Chez posts.

However given this accusation is put to him on a semi frequent basis, he could as least be honest and objective about the accusation and not try and pretend its some outlier and a perverse individual take by the poster making it.

If he was honest about it and maybe tried to unpack why so many viewed his posting behaviour in this way, it might go some way to resolving the issue.

However he chooses to evade it absolutely and completely whenever it is raised.
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10-16-2022 , 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Elrazor
In that case, you're just wrong.
The centre of UK politics isn't defined by where you stand on various issues.

Voter keeps voting and arguing for the most right wing governments since WW2 but insists he's not right wing.
Voter also talks about intellectual honesty.
Voter says he won't now discuss his voting intentions in the next election.

LOL
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10-16-2022 , 08:20 AM
Really hard to imagine why such an intellectually honest politics poster wouldn't want to say why he votes for this lot:



Great mates you've got here, chez.
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10-16-2022 , 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Elrazor
The fact that you use this as a pejorative just proves my point and emphasises the difference between you/Jalfrezi and Chez.
There is an attitude by some that being unreasonable is good if it's against right wing posters. I disagree

It would of course be lying to claim it hasn't been 'unpacked' many times. One of many lies and allsorted silly nonsense that they are free to carry on with all they like.
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10-16-2022 , 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
LOL
Sums up you and your posting nicely.
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10-16-2022 , 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
It depends how "left wing"., doesn't it, and also it's probably moot now anyway as inflation is high* as is government debt, meaning there's not a huge amount a leftist government could do without exacerbating the problems.

* some economists are predicting it will fall next year, which I suspect is the Tories' best/only hope of winning the next election, though the economy was in good shape when they lost in 1997 after years of decadent governance.
I disagree that a lot can't be done because of the economy. It was ****ed in 1945 as well.

Yes It may depend on how left wing. Hopefully you won't feel the need to repeat lie about me bring willing to compromise. I'd support KS if he had a decent national care service policy if they had a bit more than that then I'd support him with increasing enthusiasm
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10-16-2022 , 08:33 AM
Its never been unpacked and the treat Chez with suspicion must continue.
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10-16-2022 , 08:36 AM
You are free to repeat that lie as often as you need to.

And treat me however you want.it does not matter to anything.
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10-16-2022 , 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Elrazor
Sums up you and your posting nicely.
The weakness of this response is only confirmation of your slippery dishonesty.

Remember, you're the poster who railed against immigrants, claiming they're criminals, posted a BBC article he believed gave him some support only for it to be pointed out that the article in question was actually evidence for the opposite.

It's obvious to everyone what you're about, and has been for a long time. Unfortunately for you, inventing a foreign wife for yourself to make a timely appearance here shortly after the "criminal immigrants" fiasco doesn't do anything to dispel that.

So, yes, LOL, all the time, at you.
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10-16-2022 , 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
I disagree that a lot can't be done because of the economy. It was ****ed in 1945 as well.

Yes It may depend on how left wing. Hopefully you won't feel the need to repeat lie about me bring willing to compromise. I'd support KS if he had a decent national care service policy if they had a bit more than that then I'd support him with increasing enthusiasm
This isn't 1945, and Western economies are expected by the all-powerful markets etc to be run within certain parameters regarding government debt and inflation.
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10-16-2022 , 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
You are free to repeat that lie as often as you need to.

And treat me however you want.it does not matter to anything.
You are free to keep calling the truth a lie.

Your position is of course essentially absurd and build purely on evasion, which is why there must be suspicion.

I dont wake up in the morning and think, yep time to tell lies about Chez, because that is ridiculous.

I do however wake up read posts and think, I know Ill post my genuine opinion of Chez built up by reading his posts, a genuine opinion held by numerous posters.

Because your posting leads to certain conclusions.

When I post genuine opinions I will be accused of lying, which in itself is absurd.
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10-16-2022 , 08:46 AM
I've got to come in and defend Chez here and say I agree with Elrazor the he is one of the most fair posters itt.

Jalfrezi it's really hard to agree with you at times cause you lean towards the conspiracy side of the argument so often. That's not to say that your wrong but you seem to just believe the unprovable so often.
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10-16-2022 , 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by J.E.C
I've got to come in and defend Chez here and say I agree with Elrazor the he is one of the most fair posters itt.

Jalfrezi it's really hard to agree with you at times cause you lean towards the conspiracy side of the argument so often. That's not to say that your wrong but you seem to just believe the unprovable so often.
The proportion of things in the world that are the provable cause of events is vanishingly small. It's never about proof, so you have to run with the most probable.

It's not hard to look at events and ask yourself who the main beneficiaries were, time and time again.

I don't believe in conspiracies. I do believe in vested interests of powerful people.
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10-16-2022 , 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
This isn't 1945, and Western economies are expected by the all-powerful markets etc to be run within certain parameters regarding government debt and inflation.
Indeed. Its very right wing now but that doesn't make it correct. The problem is the left embracing the right wing narrative.

I also agree with you that it will be very hard for any government because the economic problems are bad. I just doesn't mean that change cannot happen and it can provide opportunities as well.
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10-16-2022 , 09:04 AM
I was talking more about there being in 1945 a consensus across Western nations that investment to rebuild was necessary, that doesn't exist now.

Plus of course the financial markets are bloated by pensions and are all powerful.

If it wouldn't be so politically disastrous I'd love a Labour government to go and get a massive loan from the IMF but alas that's a non starter, so there's only so much scope for leftist policies.

Last edited by jalfrezi; 10-16-2022 at 09:16 AM.
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10-16-2022 , 09:11 AM
There's a great deal of consensus despite the right wing narrative.

The tories can't defend their budget because there's no support for 'give it the rich'. There would be massively more support for doing something people desperately want and that makes sense
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10-16-2022 , 09:24 AM
"Rebuilding" means a lot more than nationalising public services like utilities which gets a lot of public support. There are infrastructure projects needed to replace aging sewage systems, resurface roads and insulate houses for instance, which would increase the demand for labour and push wages up.

These should have been done when growth, inflation and interest rates were at rock bottom.

This country is just one **** up after another, thanks to your mates who keep voting Tory and are now too ashamed to even be open about their voting intentions.

Anyway, enough of Elrazor, the least sharp tool in the house.

Last edited by jalfrezi; 10-16-2022 at 09:35 AM.
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10-16-2022 , 10:01 AM
There's loads of stuff that needs to done. Not being able to do it all is no excuse.

The FT has a headline (behind a paywall) about how NHS investment boost the economy. There is much consensus to build on.

Or you can resort back to the lying and silly nonsense.
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10-16-2022 , 10:24 AM
not a lot of volume but truss to gtfo before new year went from 50% to 65% on betfair over the course of today (sunday)

are you lads ready for rishi?!
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10-16-2022 , 11:59 AM
Looks like the Tory MPs want to anoint Sunak ASAP.

Shortlist of Sunak, Mordaunt and possibly Wallace with an agreement between them that the ballot losers will drop out, negating the need to go to the members.
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10-16-2022 , 12:54 PM
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not a lot of volume but truss to gtfo before new year went from 50% to 65% on betfair over the course of today (sunday)

are you lads ready for rishi?!

I feel like Hunt will somehow be the compromise candidate.
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10-16-2022 , 01:42 PM
brexit fanatics will block him
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