I also agree with Jalfrezi, but with Chez's conditions.

I also agree with Diebitter, regarding Jalfrezi, and with Chez's conditions.

Probably pointing out the obvious here, but the reason we are the 6th largest economy is due to historical growth.

However, growing the economy (using the tools Chez suggests) and providing the poorest in society with their basic needs satisfied are obviously not mutually exclusive goals.

In other words, we should be able to grow the economy and provide a decent standard of living for all.

Holy ****, I think we're all kind of agreeing!

Truss's antics have united us lol

Labour polling way higher in Scotland these days.



Also, Starmer is, marginally, the most popular party leader in Scotland as well.

Labour's recovery is leading to some weird, desperate takes from the SNP

Growth is the result of good policies and some other factors. Growth shouldn't be the "end justifying the means" target that Truss is making it.

Hence, **** growth.

The culmination of policies of your Tory Party over many years is what is finally uniting us, mainly in horror.

I have to admit that I'm one of those people that will, have maybe, softened my stance on independence if Labour can become a competent stable party with at least some left of centre policy's I can get behind.

I really like Starmer as a statesman and do believe he could get the UK back on a stable footing. Though part of me does feel like how I imagine most of the USA must of felt voting for Biden in that I just want a return to the status quo and feel I have to give up some of my beliefs in doing so.

I feel it may be too little too late for Labour in Scotland though, the Scottish reds aren't helping as they appear more blue than a lot of the actual Tories, I feel it could be at least another decade before they get the full trust of Scotland again

At least Labour are a party of the left. There's an obvious discussion of where they are in that regard but even centre-left is still the left. The SNP have no political ideology other than independence so they will move all over the political spectrum depending on what they believe gives them the most support at the time. Remember Salmond only used to get his budgets through the Scottish parliament with the support of the Tories. They've moved to the left under Sturgeon but much of that is talking left and acting right. For example, many of those 'free' universal benefits are aimed at middle earners in Scotland and that comes at the expense of targetted benefits for those who need them most. A new leader could easily move them to the right again.

Robin Banks, erstwhile of The Clash and "Stay Free", is a good follow:

The modern Tory MP:

I have stated before I'm not an SNP supporter but I really want Independence and then to vote for someone else.

Just so I understand this properly, you vote for a party who's sole purpose is independence, as you want independence, but you somehow don't support them?

In terms of redistribution and opportunity the SNP is right of centre, not surprisingly as it's a corrupt provincial middle-class cronyist org.

Much like Labour Red Wallers.

It seems fine for people to vote for what is mainly a one issue party and when they are get the change they want, vote on issues of other policies.

I was an SNP supporter during the 1st independence referendum but since then have seen the ineptitude of the party as a whole (my local SNP councillor is fantastic though), though I don't think Scottish Labor or Tory's are any better, however I still feel very strongly that Scotland would be much better as an Independent country.

Since thier sole purpose is Independence I don't see them being the governing party too long after independence is gained and view there would be different options once the dust settles in an independent Scotland.

I mainly want Independence as I feel there is a great political divide between us and our southern friend's, I like the idea of living in a smaller nation where it can feel like our vote matters somewhat and Im still incredibly angry at being dragged out of the EU against our will. A smaller part of it is national identity as I've never felt British and I will admit this was a large part of it for the 1st referendum but that got me interested in politics more since.

I say my stance has softened somewhat as I can see an end to this terrible Tory regime and understand that Independence will be tough at first especially in the current economic climate but willing to deal with it compared to the corrupt, xenophobic, classist Tories we've had thirst upon us for the past decade.

Ultimately, you are still supporing that party. Ukip being an example.

Thankfully the only independence that you'll be getting is independence from Paisting's thread, assuming his threat is true

Not doing this is so stupid that it blows my mind. Their ideology goes against them intervening in markets, but they did that with gas and electricity this winter. So you won't spend £15m, which you will probably recoup in days, to see if you can encourage people to trim usage? These people are ****ing dunces.

you know we're in big trouble when rees mogg starts sounding like the voice of sanity

Haha well I guess I know this independence from Paisting will actually be a benefit to my life 😆

That story is insane. Does Truss not realise that £15m campaign could save the government and the taxpayer billions?

Butnah, ideology.

If even information leaflets are too much State interference, then its obvious were the savings necessary for the 50BN or so liability holes in Nuberwangs budget are coming from.

Austerity, dont call it a comeback.

Its borderline who will build the roads.