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04-28-2022 , 03:13 AM

#5951

Elrazor

losing momentum

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Social media run by the state only available to UK citizens sounds lame. You also have to weigh in that Twitter, Facebook et al exist as they outcompeted literally thousands of other platforms and have to innovate to retain their market share. It's far more likely that some state-run social media platform would be more like the lame, extinct ones that the tiny minority of ones that have prospered.

Would Twitter and the like therefore be banned in the UK? that seems even more Orwellian.

Pie in the sky ideas can be pie in the sky irrespective of things going badly wrong, and this seems pie in the sky.

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04-28-2022 , 04:32 AM

#5952

chezlaw

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why would it only be available to uk citizens? That would make no sense

I dont think there's a need to ban anyhting. Big fan of ignoring their complaints that they cannot compete.

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04-28-2022 , 08:01 AM

#5953

jalfrezi

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04-28-2022 , 08:07 AM

#5954

Elrazor

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How could you have a global social media platform owed by the people? I just can't see how this would work in practice.

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04-28-2022 , 08:14 AM

#5955

chezlaw

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The telephone and the post didn't exclude anyone just because they were nationalised services. International communication was a large part fo the point and early development

No reason why social communication platfiorms are fundamentally different. if anythign it's much easier.

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04-28-2022 , 08:28 AM

#5956

Elrazor

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okay, but whoever owns it will have to employ people to manage and administer the site. As we know, this usually leads to a political bias and even if it didn't, views that are seems as progressive or right wing in certain parts of the world will be viewed very differently in others.

I don't see this would solve the issues surrounding social media, and may even exacerbate them.

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04-28-2022 , 08:38 AM

#5957

O.A.F.K.1.1

Ted Patrick

Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 27,951

BBC does a very good job evinced by the fact that everyone swears blind its biased.

Gammon etc like to insist its pro brexit/climate change etc, when remainers swear the opposite and extinction rebellion had a protest at BBC for being pro fossil fuels.

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04-28-2022 , 08:39 AM

#5958

chezlaw

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It wouldn't solve all the issues. Nothign will but it would prevent it being under the control of some rich person or company.

I fully accept a disagreement about which approach is best. I'm in the nationalised camp (as for everythign important with monopolistic characteristics) but again my main point was how badly I think we have gone wrong when this seems a pie in the sky, odd idea. This conversation has kind of illustated that point. Pre the capitulation to thatcherism I can't imagine anyone thinking it wasn't a perfectly feasible and standard approach even if they opposed it politically.

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04-28-2022 , 10:12 AM

#5959

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

It wouldn't solve all the issues. Nothign will but it would prevent it being under the control of some rich person or company.

It wouldn't even solve this issue because a UK-government owned platform would be so ****ing naff that nobody would use it, and people would just migrate to whichever the cool platform of the day would be (i.e. one owned by some rich person or company)

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04-28-2022 , 10:31 AM

#5960

chezlaw

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That is the argument from some. Naff like the BBC, the post office and the NHS were would suit me fine. These t0o are gone or creaking badly because they have to be run and renewed by peope who believe in it. But the idea that it has to be naff or cant be hughly regarded/valued is pure baloney.

I dont blame the right for arguing their case. It's the left who have given far too much ground for no good reason other than the 'being not quite as bad as the other lot' disaster.

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04-28-2022 , 11:13 AM

#5961

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It's not analogous to the BBC, Post Office or NHS. Rather, you're throwing something with no brand recognition/loyalty (like all 3) into a highly competitive market with no monopoly (like the post office or NHS). The big competitors are spending hundreds of billions to make their platforms as good (read: addictive) as possible. This is really really expensive. To make something that functions at least 10% as well as Twitter would be a huge burden on the taxpayer with very little reward (again unlike the BBC which produces high value content for relatively cheap).

Rather than comparing it to those three, the more apt comparison would be to the Matt Hancock app.

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04-28-2022 , 11:46 AM

#5962

BOIDS

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i think the idea is that you nationalise what is already there

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04-28-2022 , 11:58 AM

#5963

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Originally Posted by joejoe1337

Exactly.

"Turnips and unsolicited dick pics for all, comrades."

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04-28-2022 , 12:01 PM

#5964

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Originally Posted by BOIDS

i think the idea is that you nationalise what is already there

I don't think that would be possible for a company based in California unless you wanted to segregate the user base (see: poker sites)

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04-28-2022 , 03:27 PM

#5965

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Originally Posted by Elrazor

It'd be like Lymeswold, the Milk Marketing Board's cheese that was basically a kind of blue Brie because market research indicated that was what people would like and it didn't take off and it became ridiculed and it just went away.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lymeswold_cheese

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04-28-2022 , 03:33 PM

#5966

O.A.F.K.1.1

Ted Patrick

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Im not sure where I stand on this but will add that private companies have attempted to launch plenty of products based on market research that have gone nowhere.

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04-28-2022 , 04:03 PM

#5967

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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1

Im not sure where I stand on this but will add that private companies have attempted to launch plenty of products based on market research that have gone nowhere.

In retrospect, all in on the email phone wasn't the best idea, Lord Sugar should have stuck to property.

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04-28-2022 , 05:29 PM

#5968

chezlaw

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Originally Posted by joejoe1337

If you mean that we shouldn't be in the position of starting from here then I totally agree.

I think we lost our way decades ago and it will be a hard slog back.

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04-28-2022 , 05:48 PM

#5969

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

If you mean that we shouldn't be in the position of starting from here then I totally agree.

I think we lost our way decades ago and it will be a hard slog back.

I think what he means is that there is no need for the state to be active in a highly competitive segment that would require considerable investment, where any return is far from certain and in fact a loss seems rather likely and where the state seems that it would add very little by being a participant.

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04-28-2022 , 05:58 PM

#5970

chezlaw

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Yes if it's not an important service with monopolistic characteristics then i agree there's no need. Regulation can suffice and I'd defintiely prefer to start with the things where there is a need.

In any case I'd put it way below a national care service (and much else) as a priority.

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04-29-2022 , 07:00 AM

#5971

jalfrezi

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Hard to think this would have happened under Cressida Dick's watch:

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Warrants were executed at four addresses on the Isle of Man on Wednesday, including the headquarters in Douglas of the Knox Group of companies, which was founded and is chaired by Mone’s businessman husband Doug Barrowman.

No arrests were made during simultaneous raids in London and the Isle of Man but officers seized documents and electronic devices.

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04-29-2022 , 07:07 AM

#5972

jalfrezi

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People born in Ireland now have a greater life expectancy than people born in the UK, but the real story is the 10 years of life expectancy stagnation and decline in the UK compared to Ireland.

But thank god we didn't elect someone who attended someone's funeral.

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04-29-2022 , 07:17 AM

#5973

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

It isn't just that there is no need, it is that you would simply be:
1) Definitely burning government time on this
2) Very likely burning government money since it seems really unlikely that the state would be capable of successfully executing this, the senior people that are capable of setting up a social media site will almost certainly go and work for a private one and get paid fortunes, it would be politically unacceptable to pay them market rate.

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04-29-2022 , 08:04 AM

#5974

chezlaw

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Originally Posted by Hoopie1

Ok i dont really agree. I think your points are a statement of the triumph ot thatcherism.

I'd agree to the extent that we have gone so far down the thatcherism path that a seismic shift is required.

Starting from where we are now, so to speak, may well be impossible.

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04-29-2022 , 08:23 AM

#5975

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

It has nothing to do with a triumph of Thatcherism, it is just reality as I see it.

Social media is a relatively new invention, so you'd be starting from post-Thatcher, no matter what.

Do you believe that the state would be able to hire the necessary people, pay them the necessary rate and allow them to operate in the way they would need to in order to create a successful social media platform?

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