Hitler fans busy in Parliament Square, I see.



And they'd probably be happy to be considered Hitler fans, because the protest was organised by the SWP under its SUTR front, and the far left are like that.





And look at this Corbynite idiot, who literally doesn't know that the 'Tonypandy Massacre' never happened, that the Black & Tans were raised by the government as a whole and not particularly by Churchill (and killed fewer Irish people than the Irish government did in the Civil War shortly afterwards), that the 'gassing of the Kurds' never happened, and that Gandhi was a racist who sought to deny black South Africans equal rights and held pretty de-haut-en-bas views about white people, and indeed everyone except high-caste Indians such as himself, as well.

I mean, will this moron ever shut up about Brexit?

Touché

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According to Wiki- which is not the most reliable source to clarify- Churchill actually did espouse some bigoted views particularly against Chinese, Indians and Arabs?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial...ston_Churchill

You should see some of Atlee's

The Labour PM? I wasn't aware of that thanks for the tip

I can't find the direct quotes I was looking for about Attlee so I have to row it back for now.

If you had to rank all the public protesting/riots we have had in this country I would put this current batch very near the bottom of the list in terms of impact/intensity.

Your kind aren't welcome around here.

He did think like that, yes, in a fairly casual way. Most people did at that time. Even Jim Joyce wrote about the natural superiority of the white race in a youthful essay.

And even 'anti-imperialists', like Sidney and Beatrice Webb of the Fabian Society, who were friends of Bertrand Russell and John Maynard Keynes, and of William Beveridge whose 1942 report eventually produced the Welfare State in Britain, were fairly fanatical antisemites, which Churchill (also a friend of Beveridge) wasn't. This was a besetting vice of liberal anti-imperialists, what you'd call the left nowadays. J.A. Hobson, the key liberal journalist of the pre-Great-War era, respectfully cited by Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and Jeremy Corbyn, was a massive and horrible antisemite, banging on about how the Boer War and global capitalism and all the world's misfortunes had been caused by string-pulling Jewish bankers, or 'men of a peculiar race' as he liked to call them.

And MK Gandhi, always one of Churchill's bugbears, wanted Indians to have equal rights in South Africa, but definitely not the blacks. Gandhi was all in favour of apartheid and disenfranchisement when it came to the blacks. He was later famous in India for saying people should be kind to Untouchables and Muslims, but he meant that as an act of charity. He definitely didn't think Untouchables or Muslims were as good as high-caste Hindus such as, for instance, himself.

Churchill didn't like Indians very much, and often said so (I don't know if you've been to India, but illiterate Indian street-people probably did look dodgy and foolish to a Victorian English army subaltern). But then, Indians don't like Pakistanis, and Pakistanis don't like Indians, and Indian Hindus certainly don't like Indian Muslims and are now favouring Hindu-nationalist measures to deny Muslims citizenship. So there's always bad stuff doing the rounds.

On the other hand, it's not true, as Hindu nationalists have started pretending in the last few years, that Churchill caused the 1943 Bengal famine. He didn't even know about it until it was halfway through and he couldn't have done much about it even then. It was caused by the failure of the December 1942 rice crop in Bengal, the occupation of Burma by the Japanese so that supplies could not come from there, and the refusal of neighbouring Hindu-led regional governments (India having become self-governing in all but foreign affairs since 1935, much against Churchill's inclinations) to drop their tariffs to allow relief supplies of rice into Bengal.

The Hindu provinces did that, of course, because the famine victims were Muslim and Hindu politicians were making calculations about the power balance after independence and didn't want too many Muslims around. In the summer of '43, before Churchill even knew of the problem, the Hindu provinces did reluctantly drop their tariffs (like Peel and Wellington repealing the Corn Laws to relieve the Irish famine in the 1840s -- and Communist rioters in Glasgow yesterday defaced Peel's statue by spraypainting 'ACAB' and the Stalinist hammer and sickle on the plinth), but as soon as the relief supplies hit the Bengal markets, the markets and the prices went mad and the rice still couldn't reach the starving. Churchill then had to decide whether to divert merchant shipping and Royal Navy escort units from the vital Atlantic convoys to carry US rice through the Bay of Bengal, infested by Japanese submarines, with the inevitable losses and the inevitable consequence of disastrous shortages in Britain itself. He didn't have to, since India was self-governing, and relief supplies were on hand locally but held up by failures of administration, and he decided not to. And probably not much could have been done before the successful Bengal rice crop in December 1943 put an end to the famine anyway.

I think Richard Crossman, who was a well-known idiot, much later made false claims about Attlee not liking Jews. In fact Attlee ordered the withdrawal from Palestine and said you couldn't keep fighting the Jews after what had happened during the war. He didn't like the Zionist terrorists, but then, after the King David Hotel bombing and the Sergeants Affair and the assassinations of Lord Moyne and Count Bernadotte, nor did anybody in their right mind, on the whole.

Forgot to mention: Clem Attlee took one of the Kindertransport children into his home, and was remembered ever after with great affection by that young refugee. And, again, Richard Crossman was a well-known idiot.

https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com...pms-relatives/

Thanks for your posts mate, I was aware of Gandhi's racism re black people in SA (Che Guevara was another racist when it came to black people btw) and iirc Gandhi fully endorsed using nukes on the British, had India had access to it, so I never really saw him as the peaceful icon he was made out to be. Thaks again for your detailed comments.

What the hell is wrong with the 43% is all I can think when I see graphs like that.

You do wonder a bit, don't you? And if 'Churchill was a racist' (an allowable view, but he's safely dead), what do we make of Johnson, who wrote in 2002 that Africa would be better off if the European colonial powers took over again, and called black people 'piccaninnies with watermelon smiles' and said Muslim women look like bank robbers or pillarboxes? And what do we make of Theresa May and Amber Rudd, who brought about the Windrush scandal by deporting numbers of British citizens just because they were a bit on the brown side?

mentalist. Murray is an absolute belter, he's got nothing going on but SNP bad. He's even admitted his job (as an MP mind you) is to criticise the SNP. No, that would be if you're an opposition MSP, you're not, you're an MP, in Westminster, your job is to be opposition there.

43% deplorables.

Things have certainly changed for the worse here in that respect. My Indian friend Ashish joined a company in Monument a couple of years ago and found the other developers (all white British) were doing 1970s It Ain't Half Hot Mum style Indian head rolls and accents to mock him, which he told me he played along with, but didn't stay at that company very long.

Holy crap Boris Johnson actually said that about black people? That's insane.

Really really insane
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/23/a...ntl/index.html

Here's Boris on Uganda:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...me-colonialism

I don't really doubt that boris will turn out far worse than Teresa May but nothing he or anyone can say will come close to the Windrush scandal.

We bang on about what people say a lot, and it is very important, but we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that actions are orders of magnitude more important.

I was thinking of comment regarding the original Windrush, but as I said, I may be mistaken

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/nuclear-gandhi

Maybe it wasn't a bug after all!

Juk