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05-15-2026 , 12:26 PM

#17601

chezlaw

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Burnham allowed to run for selection in Makerfield by-election, Labour's ruling body says

Labour's National Executive Committee (NEC)'s decision to allow Andy Burnham to stand in the Makerfield by-election comes after he was blocked from standing in the Gorton & Denton by-election earlier this year.

The NEC has also set the timeline for the selection contest to take place, with applications to close on Monday 18 May, and a selection meeting occuring on 21 May.

There is, as yet, no definitive timing for the by-election itself, as the writ still needs to be moved in parliament before that date can be set.

And, the Greater Manchester mayor still needs to be selected as the local party's candidate.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cwy21gpr1kzt

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05-15-2026 , 01:35 PM

#17602

jalfrezi

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lol ok, he's a clown. Barely more convincing as a jogger than Johnson was.

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05-15-2026 , 01:38 PM

#17603

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Probably shouldn't be.

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05-15-2026 , 02:52 PM

#17604

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In further bad news for Elracist, 11 far right activists have been banned from entering the UK ahead of tomorrow's "Tommy Robinson" organised rally. One of them is this notorious Islamophobic and race-hate lies peddling monstrosity:

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05-15-2026 , 02:58 PM

#17605

57 On Red

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Not sure why some Labour MPs think Burnham would be any better than Starmer. (Desperation, possibly.) No evidence for it, and he's quite wibbly-wobbly. In any case we know that switching leaders mid-term does not do the party in power any great favours.

If Burnham does take Makerfield and Labour retain the Manchester mayoralty, that'll be interesting, but the swing to Reform since 2024 means there could be a bit of an upset on both counts.

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05-15-2026 , 03:19 PM

#17606

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He voted in favour of the Iraq war and joined Labour Friends of Israel, so I expect more support for the USA and for genocide.

He's already strong favourite to be the next PM after Starmer but I'm never voting for this ****.

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05-15-2026 , 03:26 PM

#17607

57 On Red

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We don't really know Burnham's position on anything because he seems to go whichever way he thinks the wind is blowing at the time.

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05-16-2026 , 12:54 AM

#17608

Elrazor

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Originally Posted by jalfrezi

Also, it's "anti-Semitic" not "anti-sematic" (with an "i" not an "a" at the other end of the keyboard), which you would know if you actually gave a damn about Jewish people instead of salivating over attacks on them as a means of furthering your campaign of hate against people who you think are 'too foreign'.

Ironic that "semantics" are all you have...

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05-16-2026 , 02:56 AM

#17609

chezlaw

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Elrazor confirmed anti-semantic

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05-16-2026 , 03:05 AM

#17610

chezlaw

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Originally Posted by 57 On Red

John Major says hi

It may be desperation but there are no good answers now. Starmer and the whole changed labour, mcsweeney project have converted one of the best opportunities ever for labour into a tragic disaster for labour and the uk. I have no great hopes of Burnham but he may end the changed labour disaster and push public ownership.

I quite like the fact he has a tough bi-election to test him. This is his moment to offer a real alternative to reform or carry on the starmer appeasment. We shall see

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05-16-2026 , 08:39 AM

#17611

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Originally Posted by Elrazor

Ironic that "semantics" are all you have...

No, it's not bad grammar on your part because (and it's quite embarrassing that this has to be pointed out to you) grammar is concerned with the structure of a language as in the silly picture you posted, not the hopeless misspelling of words by someone who hasn't a clue what he's talking about most of the time.

You're just not very bright and I'd stop digging now if I were you.

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05-16-2026 , 01:41 PM

#17612

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Speaking at a conference organised by the thinktank Progress on Saturday, Streeting confirmed he would enter any possible leadership race, outlining his belief that the UK needed to pursue a “new special relationship” with the EU, signalling that he wanted to see the country rejoin the trade bloc in the future.

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Streeting said Britain should rejoin the EU, describing Brexit as a “a catastrophic mistake” and suggested a closer relationship to Europe would help “rebuild our economy and trade, and improve our defence against the shared threats from Russian aggression and America First”.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ion-leadership

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05-16-2026 , 01:50 PM

#17613

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Andy Burnham says Labour must put energy and water under public control

Greater Manchester mayor suggests programme of renationalisation would be key policy if he succeeds Keir Starmer as PM

He said: “We need a different path completely. What is that path? Put more things back under stronger public control: energy, housing, water, transport.

“I’ve done that with buses in Greater Manchester. I was the first to do it. Margaret Thatcher deregulated them … and then they just work for the private shareholders and not for the paying public.

“I put them back under public control with the £2 fares, so you take that principle and apply it to energy and apply to the water – that’s what I think we need to do.

“The country gave away its control with basic things that people depend upon every day and that was a big mistake in my opinion.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...l-keir-starmer

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05-16-2026 , 02:35 PM

#17614

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ion-leadership

He probably doesn’t mean it. He’s just trying to broaden his appeal and move the discourse around him on from being the **** who wants to sell the few remaining public assets off to Black Rock and Palantir.

And if he does mean it, it’s because those companies want the UK as an entry point into the EU.

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05-16-2026 , 03:27 PM

#17615

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Originally Posted by jalfrezi

Nationalisation of water is likely to cost north of £90,000,000,000, energy the same again. Comparison with Manchester's bus services is daft. If he doesn't present a concrete plan for nationalisation, and how he's going to finance and manage it (however desirable it might be in theory, on a certain view), then he's taking people for mugs.

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05-16-2026 , 04:47 PM

#17616

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There needs to be a plan but the economics of we can't afford it are arse over tit.

The companies are taking money out, not putting money in. There is some money that has been 'stolen' and decrepit infrastructure but that's done and we're going to pay for that anyway .

The water bills for thames water alone comes to £2.6 billion a year. There's a huge income for us as well as the cost if we own it.

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05-17-2026 , 07:05 PM

#17617

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I’m surprised none of you are talking about the Tommy Robinson march. It sounds like it was a massive success. Anywhere from 150k to 3 million. Probably closer to 300k. It’s good to see these people are doing something to get their country back. It’s a shame Starmer didn’t allow several foreign speakers to attend. I’ve never seen Tommy this happy.

I pray things turn around for you folks.

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05-17-2026 , 07:22 PM

#17618

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3 billion people at least I heard Awesome event. Well done

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05-17-2026 , 07:37 PM

#17619

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Originally Posted by Elway

I’m surprised none of you are talking about the Tommy Robinson march. It sounds like it was a massive success. Anywhere from 150k to 3 million. Probably closer to 300k. It’s good to see these people are doing something to get their country back. It’s a shame Starmer didn’t allow several foreign speakers to attend. I’ve never seen Tommy this happy.

I pray things turn around for you folks.

Lol, I've got a bridge to sell you if you think it was even close to the lower end of those numbers. Police estimates put it at about 60k, well under half the number that were there the last time a similar event happened in September (and aerial pictures makes it very clear there were far fewer).

I don't know the specifics of the bolded but the whole thing was apparently incredibly US-centric and a significant proportion of the attendees were not particularly impressed about that. Our right-wing agitators have got so swept up in the US MAGA grift that they appear to have largely forgotten how to even rabble-rouse our local racists effectively.

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05-18-2026 , 12:49 AM

#17620

Elrazor

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Originally Posted by jalfrezi

I was referring to your attitude towards Jews, but if you want to be pedantic, then it's a actually a vocabulary error not a spelling error so you can't even tap in this simplest of goals without tripping over your own stupidity.

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05-18-2026 , 02:59 AM

#17621

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You’re hopeless. You intended to use the word “Semitic” but thought it was spelled “sematic” (which is a word but not the one you intended) because your English is poor.

You should stop digging: everyone in the vicinity is beginning to notice the bulldozers.

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05-18-2026 , 03:02 AM

#17622

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Originally Posted by 57 On Red

Yes it looks like a really big number when you type it as a numeric but remember when a one off 50 billion compensation payment to the EU for Brexit wasn’t a consideration?

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05-18-2026 , 03:09 AM

#17623

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The 90 billion figure is inflated to give politicians an excuse for not doing it. The true value is closer to half that, as it should be based on market value of the water companies, not their regulatory capital value.

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05-18-2026 , 03:29 AM

#17624

chezlaw

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I wonder if they're worth anything much. Without a bailout thames water is probably bankrupt. I wonder about the others especially if the regulatory rules are remotely enforced. Like the railways it doesn't have to all be done in one go

There's still a huge cost of taking them over and running them but against that is massive income.

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05-18-2026 , 03:35 AM

#17625

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Indeed, though they have some assets etc.

In law the government only needs to pay a “fair value”, not market value. The bid for Thames Water was only four billion, not the RCV of 21 billion, before the bidders came to their senses and withdrew.