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10-18-2019 , 04:50 PM

#1351

sixfour

should be called sevenfour

Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 75,509

Is it possible that I pop up to Glasgow tomorrow morning and by the time I get the train home the border is closed?

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10-18-2019 , 06:56 PM

#1352

chezlaw

Limey Bastard

Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 48,895

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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1

That cuts both ways, its just as likely May saw it as too big a concession , that would have messaged as NI being in the EU in practical terms for as long as it wanted to and all of the usual suspects would still have voted it down.

I would imagine rules would have been X but due to NI input it was Y is close to zero and the EU would have to do something massively egregious to damage what is their obvious good will in NI.

True but once the certainty is conceded then something could have been done about some limit to May's backstop which was argued as an inviolable red line by the EU because certainty was required.

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10-18-2019 , 06:57 PM

#1353

chezlaw

Limey Bastard

Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 48,895

Really don't like the noises coming from Newsnight which seems to suggests Boris is getting there

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10-19-2019 , 02:04 AM

#1354

diebitter

Grotesquely Handsome

Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 66,404

Let's hope. You guys realise almost everyone is just sick of this and wants it to end, and people trying to stop it happening will be seen in a very dim light by anyone except anti-democratic remainers, right?

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10-19-2019 , 02:14 AM

#1355

Hoopie1

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 26,434

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Originally Posted by diebitter

This won't be an end to it.

If you were offered this steaming turd in June 2016, would you have voted for it?

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10-19-2019 , 02:36 AM

#1356

PartyGirlUK

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 23,530

Passing a monumentally important with four hours notice because "just get it done" when it "getting in done" (means years more of talking about Brexit) isn't smart. M.Ps don't know what they're voting for or against. What's the justification for voting on the deal now rather than after a month of debate? "Just get on with it" is not an argument.

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10-19-2019 , 02:52 AM

#1357

diebitter

Grotesquely Handsome

Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 66,404

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Originally Posted by Hoopie1

This won't be an end to it.

If you were offered this steaming turd in June 2016, would you have voted for it?

Anything that gets us out of the EU membership at this point, frankly.

When we gave up veto over swathes of decisions, we gave up too much.

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10-19-2019 , 03:15 AM

#1358

plaaynde

Poker Historian

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 20,270

Even if I'm a strong remainer by heart I think this chance should be taken for Britain to get out. Of course note I'm not living in the UK. There is also symbolism in following the will of the people. And in this case probably not much harm is inflicted, negotiations will continue across the English channel, much as before.

Why would Britain like to continue stupidly after Brexit, for example become the new Cayman islands?

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10-19-2019 , 03:29 AM

#1359

plaaynde

Poker Historian

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 20,270

Let's sharpen our ears https://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/...4-7e5e8fd8f9cd

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10-19-2019 , 03:30 AM

#1360

Hoopie1

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 26,434

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Originally Posted by diebitter

Anything that gets us out of the EU membership at this point, frankly.

When we gave up veto over swathes of decisions, we gave up too much.

I shall amputate my leg, it'll definitely sort out my in ingrowing toe nail.

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10-19-2019 , 03:41 AM

#1361

plaaynde

Poker Historian

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 20,270

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Originally Posted by Hoopie1

I shall amputate my leg, it'll definitely sort out my in ingrowing toe nail.

Will remember this accurate description of the situation. But if you get obsessed enough, even that is possible.

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10-19-2019 , 04:18 AM

#1362

SiMor29

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 4,905

I remember in this thread a while back someone saying that we could just tell brexiters that we'd left the EU and they'd be happy. I remember thinking it was a bit hyperbolic at the time, but as it transpires whoever it was was spot on!

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10-19-2019 , 04:32 AM

#1363

chezlaw

Limey Bastard

Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 48,895

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Originally Posted by diebitter

I hope it fails but seems there's a fair few remainers who want it to go through rather than risk a no-deal.

There's still the Letwin amendment which could have some very weird consequences. Amended motion could pass followed by an extension and GE with the deal still not approved. I'm struggling to know quite what to make of this.

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10-19-2019 , 06:44 AM

#1364

gotgot123

veteran

Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 2,563

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Originally Posted by diebitter

Haha. There's actually a pretty big Nigel farage following who are AGAINST this deal. Suddenly the Democratic will of the people brexiteers are now anti democratic not will of the people.

And at the same time they keep saying no deal is will of the people and what 52% of people voted for. Without even realising.

Actual ******s. The way the mind works on a lot of brexiteers is actually staggering. There is no logic from one argument to the next. 0 logic and 0 critical thinking.

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10-19-2019 , 07:36 AM

#1365

gotgot123

veteran

Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 2,563

Why does boris never stay during talks after him like now? but corbyn is always there? Is that totally normal?

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10-19-2019 , 08:26 AM

#1366

1&onlybillyshears

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2019 Posts: 1,244

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Originally Posted by diebitter

Anything that gets us out of the EU membership at this point, frankly.

When we gave up veto over swathes of decisions, we gave up too much.

This treaty (not deal) locks the UK into subjugation to EU jurisdiction for an indefinite period, paying into the bloc while having no say over the direction, aka taxation without representation. It is phoney brexit as called correctly by the DUP and Farage. It is essentially the same agreement concocted by May, a remainer.

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10-19-2019 , 08:30 AM

#1367

gotgot123

veteran

Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 2,563

peter kyle spitting facts.

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10-19-2019 , 08:34 AM

#1368

SiMor29

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 4,905

Odds of the deal being rejected just shortened to 1/2.

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10-19-2019 , 09:15 AM

#1369

Elrazor

losing momentum

Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 14,258

Odds were as low as 1/4 earlier today, so they have been clipped a little.

However, 1/4 feels about right. Doesn't appear to be enough Labour support - however, it is possible several labour MPs are playing their cards close to their chest, as if enough came out in favour of a deal McDonnell would almost certainly draw a 3-line whip with expulsion as the consequence.

Long-Bailey in to bat for Labour, Gove the last man in for the Tories...

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10-19-2019 , 09:17 AM

#1370

O.A.F.K.1.1

Ted Patrick

Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 27,951

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

True but once the certainty is conceded then something could have been done about some limit to May's backstop which was argued as an inviolable red line by the EU because certainty was required.

The reason why the current boris deal did not happen under May is because May was not in a position to throw the DUP under a bus. Its nothing to do with how big a concession it is.

The Boris deal is everything the DUP stands against.

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10-19-2019 , 09:22 AM

#1371

O.A.F.K.1.1

Ted Patrick

Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 27,951

Cant wait for the minds blown when we spend the next 20 months discussing a deal with the EU.

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10-19-2019 , 09:35 AM

#1372

grizy

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Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 20,796

How is Boris' deal not actually worse than May's? Boris basically went from backstop/customs border within UK borders is unacceptable to let's just trigger the backstop and put the customs border within UK borders now.

That's some Trumpian negotiating tactics.

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10-19-2019 , 09:48 AM

#1373

plaaynde

Poker Historian

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 20,270

Maybe they should reject the deal just because Boris is behind it.

That's as good a reason as any. Don't like his populist talk. Skilled yes, but with the wrong agenda. Let's see if they fall for it. Probably?

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