Cribbed this from the moderation thread as it seemed more appropriate to continue the conversation here:
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The reason being we are seeing more men calling themselves women competing against biological women and destroying them and invading their safe spaces.
Are we really? Any new conversation about this inevitably goes back to Laurel Hubbard and Lia Thomas, which highlights events that occurred three years ago and one year ago. If this is a growing phenomenon, it seems to be doing so quite slowly - a lot more slowly than the outrage over it, which is probably making it seem like it's happening far more frequently than it is. That's not to suggest there's not an increase in edge cases, because of course there will be when more transgender people feel comfortable coming out. My argument is that this isn't exploding into some immediate huge societal crisis that requires governmental overreach like we see in some states. I see no reason to believe that experts and those directly impacted can't work this out as we go.
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I also can't fathom mutilating or castrating children under any circumstances as other more progressive countries than the USA or Canada have suspended these procedures until more research is done.
You sure have latched on to the loaded phrase "mutilating and castrating". But as I showed a few days ago, the number of children getting surgery is quite small, and I've seen nothing to suggest that this is happening with anyone younger than teenagers. Let's bring those numbers back; over the 5 year period from 2017-2021:
776 children 13-17 underwent masectomies.
56 children 13-17 underwent genital surgery.
Now that of course doesn't tell the whole story. Did half of those surgeries occur in 2021, indicating a sharp upward trend, or is it a slower upward trend, or not upward at all? Were most of those surgeries on very mature 16 and 17 year-olds after carefully determining that they were making a very well-informed decision, or are there a whole lot of 13 year-olds doing this with very little oversight? Some of those possibilities concern me more than others. These are nuances that are completely absent from the right wing talking points, and they seem to be from yours as well.
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I can't understand how we accept the violence from a small part of the Trans community either.
This is one of the most bizarre things you constantly bring back. First of all, just because people don't all bang on about a handful of violent incidents from one particular community doesn't mean that they accept it. And secondly, why do you think this is such an important point? is there not some level of violence from a small part of pretty much any community that is fighting for something? Acknowledging and condemning such violence is important, but there's no reason to then let those violent acts colour our perception of the entire community.
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As Bobo has stated my views have grown on the Trans community.
So looping back to the start of this...why? We can do better than listen to the politicians and talking heads who will weaponize any extreme case they can find to stir up their base. That's all these "culture wars" are. We're in an uncomfortable place right now with transgender rights. Those of us who didn't grow up in a world where being transgender was accepted like it is now have some adjusting to do. But just because it seems a bit strange and uncomfortable doesn't mean there's a crisis that has to be responded to with derision, belittling, and lawmakers jumping in with legislation designed to play into the fears that they are actively stoking. Solving a "problem" that they have invented is the worst kind of politics, and a sad number of people are buying into it. And this leads to things like we're seeing at our own school board, where parents are trying to take us back to the 80s and 90s (and earlier times) with demands to ban books they think are too explicit - and coincidentally
, they always happen to be books that involve queer topics. This moral outrage is threatening to take us backwards - I'd love to see people stop feeding into it.