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05-04-2020 , 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
Almost NO policies advocated by EITHER party have ANYTHING to do with "evidence. " They're about placating the base and making the big $$$ donars happy.

Edit: Same thing with appointments.

There's kinda nobody in either party who is "sensible" at this point.
First, the base and donors can prefer evidence-based solutions to start with.
Second, even just a quick look at his views shows evidence-based policies, namely his views on:
the death penalty
sentencing and imprisonment
energy
gun control
etc

https://www.politico.com/2020-electi...ues/joe-biden/
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05-04-2020 , 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by chytry
First, the base and donors can prefer evidence-based solutions to start with.
Second, even just a quick look at his views shows evidence-based policies, namely his views on:
the death penalty
sentencing and imprisonment
energy
gun control
etc

https://www.politico.com/2020-electi...ues/joe-biden/
Maybe I'm too cynical, but if Mr. Biden's base and donors were in favor of the death penalty, I suspect his platform would be different on that issue.
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05-04-2020 , 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by THAY3R
Hey at least some Democrats aren't as bad as seadood
Ough oh.....not Lisa Bloom supporting someone. That's always a bad sign for anyone's credibility.
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05-04-2020 , 04:34 PM
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05-04-2020 , 04:46 PM
Bernie could easily be the DNC nominee if he took the low ground. Credit to him as a person for twice taking the high ground but politics is dirty.
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05-04-2020 , 06:07 PM
ya no credit there. but I dont think he wins by going at Biden for this. he still should. but its def not the high ground to let a rapist warmonger exploiter racist become president while the citizenry falls apart.
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05-04-2020 , 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by THAY3R
thing is, anyone with half a brain understands just about everything in this article. the #blueMaga cult is not looking for the truth. they are trying to run interference. this surely wont matter to them bc they dont want it to matter.
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05-04-2020 , 06:20 PM
Now I know you're not following the story. That article pure conjecture, written and promoted by the coworker of the man who coached Tara's brother to change his story:



Basically it's a word-salad explaining why you shouldn't believe psychologists, lawyers, and victims advocates. There is zero new information in there, only loud opinions and curse-worse for effect.
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05-04-2020 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
Sorry. I've never given Mittens any love. I simply was responding to your factually inaccurate statement, which was:



Tolerance for ignoring facts and making **** up is part of how we got in this mess in the first place.

I'm sorry but that's one of the things he did.
You may not mind it because it was a long time ago and I did use some hyperbole but there was no need for you to fact check me and make an inaccurate claim yourself.

That's just silly.
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05-04-2020 , 06:46 PM
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*Incidentally, some people have accused my colleague Nathan of “coaching” Colin because, during a brief phone call while Nathan was writing his story, he advised Colin to tell the “whole truth” rather than parts and not talk to people who he felt were untrustworthy. I would say that the people who have accused Nathan of tampering with a witness are garbage, but many items in the garbage can be recycled into something useful, so the comparison doesn’t hold.
I really hope for dood's case that he's just an astrotrufer running PR (terribly) for a terrible cause
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05-04-2020 , 06:51 PM
"Now I know you're not following the story" <Incessantly regurgitates the most pathetically cliche BlueMAGA talking points >
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05-04-2020 , 06:54 PM
So he agrees to talk to the Washington Post to corroborate Tara's story, a story so damning about his sister that he must be outraged, yet omits the actual offense because he doesn't trust them? To the point where Nathan has to go to him and tell him to contact WaPo with the "assault" part of it, then use that lame excuse for why he did it?

It's not adding up dude.

Furthermore, Nathan has been under intense scrutiny for the alleged coaching for a week now, and the best that he can find to come to his defense is a co-worker, a "fiction-writer", and not anyone with legal or medical experience?

"I didn't do it, promise, ask my friend"

follow the money and see where is goes. I don't doubt that she accused him of harassment in some fashion in '93, but that's ALL this story is. A serial accuser making an accusation.
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05-04-2020 , 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Seadood228
Also Berniebros : "Our guy didn't get enough votes"
Do you really believe that is the reason Bernie did not get the nom?
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05-04-2020 , 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerHero77
Do you really believe that is the reason Bernie did not get the nom?
Yes, both directly and indirectly. And this is a view shared by quite a few people. I'm not sure if you're in the Bernie sphere or not, but outside of it there are a large group who are completely turned-off by people who constantly tell them they are amoral and intellectually inferior.

They don't seem to get it, either. They think it's about policies, policies, policies, when the majority of voters are going to be less informed, and care more about other things.
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05-04-2020 , 07:32 PM
You're doing just fine proving your amorality and intellectual inferiority.
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05-04-2020 , 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Seadood228
Yes, both directly and indirectly. And this is a view shared by quite a few people. I'm not sure if you're in the Bernie sphere or not, but outside of it there are a large group who are completely turned-off by people who constantly tell them they are amoral and intellectually inferior.

They don't seem to get it, either. They think it's about policies, policies, policies, when the majority of voters are going to be less informed, and care more about other things.
It doesn't matter if I am in the Bernie sphere or not. I am aware that Bernie turns off a lot of people on both sides.

With that being said, if you are trying to explain that Bernie lost the 2016 & 2020 noms because he simply did not have the votes is beyond naive IMO.
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05-04-2020 , 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Seadood228
So he agrees to talk to the Washington Post to corroborate Tara's story, a story so damning about his sister that he must be outraged, yet omits the actual offense because he doesn't trust them? To the point where Nathan has to go to him and tell him to contact WaPo with the "assault" part of it, then use that lame excuse for why he did it?

It's not adding up dude.

Furthermore, Nathan has been under intense scrutiny for the alleged coaching for a week now, and the best that he can find to come to his defense is a co-worker, a "fiction-writer", and not anyone with legal or medical experience?

"I didn't do it, promise, ask my friend"

follow the money and see where is goes. I don't doubt that she accused him of harassment in some fashion in '93, but that's ALL this story is. A serial accuser making an accusation.
I don't really disagree much with your POV on Tara Reade. Your logic as presented makes some sense.

But IMO you are presenting an argument that would take place in a court room. Without discovery Tara has no chance to present any damning evidence against Biden. IRT her team, who really knows the complete story of what is going on. Circumstances could explain a lot of it. If I get to cherry pick stuff that can't be responded to by the other side of course they are going to look bad. Let the case go to a hearing (as a Title IX case would) and let's see how Biden performs. Or at least an FBI investigation, and not stacked with pro-Biden stiffs.

I don't believe Biden "lost" or does not want to find the docs because of what the accusation states. He simply does not want this to expose the process in which the claim was handled, and subsequently raise more questions about his integrity.
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05-04-2020 , 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerHero77
It doesn't matter if I am in the Bernie sphere or not. I am aware that Bernie turns off a lot of people on both sides.

With that being said, if you are trying to explain that Bernie lost the 2016 & 2020 noms because he simply did not have the votes is beyond naive IMO.
It's not just the votes because yeah the margin was simply too great. It was picking up the votes, and momentum, of candidates who had fallen. I know Bernie supporters don't agree that Berniebros lost the election for HRC (I sure as hell don't), but the fact is that a large chunk of Dem voters felt that way. They're wrong, but they are also voters. 2019 saw a softer, gentler Bernie, however the attacks online, where more and more people are getting information these days, continued to amplify.

I know you know what happened with the endorsements and the fallen candidates publicly speaking out on the harassment so I won't go there, but I think it goes even deeper than that. I feel like the Paul D and Crossnerd in the bernie thread nailed it pretty perfectly, and they were ridiculed for it.
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05-04-2020 , 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Seadood228
It's not just the votes because yeah the margin was simply too great. It was picking up the votes, and momentum, of candidates who had fallen. I know Bernie supporters don't agree that Berniebros lost the election for HRC (I sure as hell don't), but the fact is that a large chunk of Dem voters felt that way. They're wrong, but they are also voters. 2019 saw a softer, gentler Bernie, however the attacks online, where more and more people are getting information these days, continued to amplify.

I know you know what happened with the endorsements and the fallen candidates publicly speaking out on the harassment so I won't go there, but I think it goes even deeper than that. I feel like the Paul D and Crossnerd in the bernie thread nailed it pretty perfectly, and they were ridiculed for it.
Yeah, 2020 was not 2016 for a lot of reasons. But the engineering was still present.
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05-04-2020 , 08:34 PM
bidenbros trying to cancel MSNBC and Chris Hayes. They think MSNBC is anti-Biden and pro-Bernie lol. Check out the comments, nasty bidenbros, toxic af.

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05-04-2020 , 08:42 PM
Should Joe Biden be held accountable for the toxicity of his political surrogates/supporters?

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05-04-2020 , 08:53 PM
We all know that Biden is the nominee, but Lindy Li says here that she would never vote Bernie even if he had won the nom. Doesn't she know that not voting is a vote for Donald Trump?

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05-04-2020 , 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by wiiziwiig
We all know that Biden is the nominee, but Lindy Li says here that she would never vote Bernie even if he had won the nom. Doesn't she know that not voting is a vote for Donald Trump?

Unless she lives in a so-called "swing state", it doesn't matter if she votes or not.

I live in California, so my Presidential vote is meaningless.
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05-04-2020 , 09:10 PM
I saw a post today on this forum by a toxic bidenbro with a tweet of this video (but was a different tweet can't find the one the toxic bidenbro used) that either got deleted by the toxic bidenbro himself or well named, calling the questioner low-T and other things, I don't remember exactly what else the toxic bidenbro said, something about Warren being primaried and the questioner trembling yada yada. Pretty toxic if you ask me, akin to Trumpists calling dems betas.

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05-04-2020 , 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
Unless she lives in a so-called "swing state", it doesn't matter if she votes or not.

I live in California, so my Presidential vote is meaningless.
Her vote is effectively meaningless even if she lives in NH.

The point is she is using her position to influence others.
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