Biden is a goof. I wish Obama had picked Sam Nunn or any non-goof as his running mate.

But Trump isn't a good who misspeaks?

Regarding Yang: He hired Bernie's 2016 ad guys, Tad Devine and his partner. They weren't retained for the 2020 run as many, myself included, thought too much money went to the "consultant class" last time. This might have been a mistake as well done, heart-tugging TV ads do have their place in a campaign.

Now they drop their first Yang ad where he is trying to move beyond being framed as a single-issue candidate. It's strong!

Trump is a master of manipulation, among other things. If you think he isn't a favorite to win, let me remind you of the old adage:

"Fool me once, shame on...shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."

Everyone was so confident that Hillary was going to win. How could she lose to Trump? Plus the polls showed Hillary was a huge favorite. We were fooled once, I'd hoped we learned from our mistakes but if were fooled again in the same exact way with Biden and these polls, its our own damn fault.

Trump will win in an Electoral College landslide!
Fact.
You may quote me...

Will that with or without the popular vote?

Tell me more, please. Why do you think that?

The over-all popular vote doesn't determine the winner - otherwise we would have to live with whomever NY & CA favor every 4 years. Let's continue to follow whatever results the Electoral College give us..

I think that the majority of the DEMs/REPs are fed up with this shitshow
that the Dems have been perpetuating - one hail-mary after another.
Trump has many flaws, but the Dems have noone that will inspire a rush to the
polls - hence a slaughter of biblical proportions.

And there are fewer illegal aliens in the country to vote for Ms. Warren.

trump for king of merica!


u fis

Should NY and CA voters count for less than the voters of our current handful of swing states? It's not like the Electoral College suddenly makes every voter/every state matter, it just changes which ones matter.

Also, NY and CA have less than 18% of the US population between them so this doesn't really add up.

California and New York prefer popular votes at the present time because their populations vote far away from 50-50. But they would switch their preference if their votes were close and the small states went overwhelmingly in the opposite
direction.

Would they, though? Opposite direction of what? Sounds like they would probably be split about 50-50 on their preference.

Maybe. But maybe the residents of these states might also think it just makes more sense for one vote to equal one vote regardless of what state it comes from. And maybe they just recognize that the current system creates just a handful of swing states which get a vastly disproportionate amount of attention from candidates while more typically skewed states get completely ignored. But who knows.

Also, none of this has anything to do with what I was saying. In fact, no one had even posited before you who preferred popular vote compared to the Electoral College in this current discussion.

Well since we went there, the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact (NPVIC) is an agreement among a group of states and District of Columbia to award all the electoral votes to whichever presidential candidate wins the overall popular vote. The compact currently has been enacted in states with about 36% of the EC and is pending in close to enough other states to make it to 270 EC votes. So depending on your age, you might sooner or later be living in a country where the popular vote-getter doesn't get hosed.

So if Warren gets 90% of the vote in California, but Trump gets the national popular vote, all of Cali's EC go to Trump?

The general election is run as normal. The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact O-N-L-Y kicks in if there is a difference between who got 270+ electoral votes and who won the popular vote. The NPVIC essentially is saying that this type of split-decision should be decided by declaring the popular vote winner as president. The electors of each state in the compact would cast their electoral votes for the popular vote winner no matter who won their state.

The compact has been enacted in states totally 196 electoral votes. And is pending legislation in about enough other states to get up to 270 electoral votes. Therefore, I'd say in 20 years or less this new tie breaker will be in effect.

Thanks for clarifying.

If I cared enough about politics these days to do anything other than post snarky comments in this forum, I'd argue against the idea. I would like to see the Electoral College abolished altogether.

Either you're misunderstanding it, or I am, but it sounds like that's exactly what he's describing does.

There's no circumstance in which the EC outcome supersedes the popular vote in what he's explained, so why even bother with the optics? Someone could theoretically lose the electoral college 535 to 3 and still win the general election for POTUS if 49 states were freakishly close, but Wyoming has a massive 90/10 blowout in their favor.

bc this country is full of racists and horrible people and dumb people and this is hellworld.

The horror...

Why should we care about mathematically freakish hypotheticals? We can also conjure freakish outcomes where the popular vote bias is maximized and the EC bias is minimized and worry about that too, and that case seems much more unfair with an overwhelming majority of the voters favoring the loser.

Well if I were someone arguing to abolish the EC, I would care because right now elections are run with that in mind, and people also vote with that in mind. Recall too, the EC was designed with things like this in mind. If they expected the popular vote to be in lock step with the outcomes of the Electoral College every time, why even come up with that system in the first place?

I'm unconvinced that turning this into a national popular vote is going to have the desired effect that the dems are hoping for. I'd imagine there are far more untapped Republicans in NY and CA than there are Dems who stay home in North Dakota because they don't think their vote matters. Shoutout to the national silent majority that actually run the economy we all enjoy and keep things generally sane around here.

"IT'S NOT A PHASE, MOM!" - Millennials