He did it because he thought specifically Asian women were the sources of his sexual frustrations, the "temptations" that cause him to sin, and worse, the Asian women were vulnerable/sinful (whatever the hell he thought, didn't matter) enough to be his targets.

That's racist and hateful in any meaningful sense of the words.

Otherwise we can just as easily say: "xxx didn't hate yyy group. xxx sought out yyy group because of their zzz inadequacies." Try that on for size with some of the worst atrocities of the 20th century. It's called scapegoating.

I think (know) it's more complicated than what you say here. Anyone who kills 8 people has hate in them, no disagreement about that.

So he had hate, and he directed that hate toward the victims because they were Asian, specifically Asian women. How in the world is that not racist?

He didn't indiscriminately kill Asian women (these killings weren't of random Asians). You pointed out he went through all these travels. He hated/fixated on these particular Asian women. There's just more to it than just sex/race. Why is that so difficult to accept?

Well we don't actually know if race and or sex was a factor because he killed multiple races and sexes. We don't actually know if he was getting sex at these places either.

It would seem that he was just as it would seem race/sex was a factor but we won't know that for a while yet.

Killing hookers because they tempt you is much more disturbing than looking down on Asians. But if I had to bet I'd put my money on garden variety evangelical racist with one less marble than average.

So race/sex have to be the only factors for a hate crime to be called racist?

Were race/sex the only factors behind the holocaust?

Why are you so reluctant to call clearly racist people racist?

I have very high tolerance for people who have strong prejudices, even if those prejudices are racist, because I recognize we are all products of our environment.

But you, ihiv, and a lot of people like you, have shown no capacity for learning and no willingness to confront your prejudices and try to do better. You have twisted yourself into impossible intellectual knots just so you don't have to confront yourself.

And that is what makes you deserving of the label "deplorable."

Now that I've gotten started, someone please ban me for a few days before I go off the rails entirely.

Maybe people who might have a bad day should not be allowed to own guns

Why did the killer shoot the white guy? It was an army vet, maybe he was trying to subdue the killer? I guess we'll find out when this goes to trial.

Well, I have no problem with this guy getting the needle (once proven guilty)...you will have lefties begging to save his life when his time comes, making all kinds of excuses for him. I digress, he did this in GA where they are not so...soft when it comes to the DP.


If waiting to see if there is any evidence of racism, and not making such a judgement based on skin color alone (almost exclusively) makes me deplorable, well, I would say your perspective is flawed.

I do think you are more pissed at people not immediately calling this racist (acknowledging we have different definitions of racism), than you are at the guy who killed those folks. I sincerely believe that.

Remember that old Asian Spa Twitter account? I'd love to get his take on this.

There's an interesting angle on defund the cops They could at least start with strolling in still sweating out yesterday's beers

graffiti. whether or not it's a hate crime and how it's addressed makes sense. murder. do you really care? really?

Not to split hairs but if he murdered those people because he hated women then that's pretty much a hate crime, such things don't cover racism solely and again I think it's ultimately irrelevant as such things won't really make a difference re sentencing when it comes to multiple murders.

These type of murderers tend to be mission oriented, so if racism was the motive I'm surprised he didn't freely admit it.

I have some leftist sympathies although certainly wouldn't be far left, but I'm against the DP so would consider life without parole sufficient. That said it's not my country or state so how they conduct such things is their biz. Although against the DP, that doesn't mean I'd have personal sympathy for this guy getting executed either, I just disagree with such sentencing.

There was no concept of hate crimes and no legislation for such things at Nuremberg. Some denied responsibility, others claimed they were only following orders. Nazi war criminal Dieter Wisliceny testified at Nuremberg that Eichmann told him he would "leap laughing into the grave because the feeling that he had five million people on his conscience would be for him a source of extraordinary satisfaction". (Other accounts replace "people" with "enemies of the Reich", which ties in with Hannah Arendt's banality of evil.)

But the ones who denied or claimed to only follow orders did so as they hoped they would avoid the gallows.

This guy will probably face the DP anyway so again not sure what he'd have to gain by lying. But more info will surely come to light at trial.

Yeah I'm kinda surprised at some people getting hung up on motive, for actual mass murder. Ultimately who gaf? Do we really care what Scott Peterson or Charles Manson's motives were? Why should anyone care here? Either way you cut it the perp's a monster.

I don't think anyone is excusing the mass murderer, including LE with their poor choice of phrase.

Race is the only factor to consider when calling a hate crime racist.

Are you talking to me ?
Why do you say that ? lol

I have to agree with Matt S here. The 'crime' is murder. The concept of hate crimes is pretty muddy in a society where you have a right to free speech anyway. They may have some utility in expressing societies desire to change but when you start jailing people for their thoughts you're on a pretty slippery slope.

Well, the question of interest isn't the easiest one. Is it in the public interest to know about axe murders? The odds of being the victim of axe murder is pretty damn slim. Still, it is often interesting to the public. What is interesting and what is in the public interest can be pretty damn different. If it wasn't, most our local frontpages should presumably be filled with stories about lifestyle diseases.

If a murder or series of murder is motivated by racism can public interest even from the driest of standards though. We know that such events can be triggered by participation in extremist subcultures, or serve as inspiration for other extremists. In that regard, it certainly merits exploration. The counter-argument is usually that media interest can be negative in itself, that shining a light on it will serve as a call to extremism. That is not really an argument I buy into, there are few indicators that extremism is lower in countries that doesn't have a strong and free investigative press.

Wouldn't that be all the more reason for the perp to freely admit his racist motive so? As I said these type of offenders seem mission oriented. The NZ Mosque killer and Breivick both had manifestos, as did some incel shooter a few years back. I just find it odd that this guy denies racism was a motive, if it's actually the case.

But as I said I'm sure we'll gain more insights at trial.

Why does it matter if he's a Trump supporter or not? He's given his demented reasons for the killings and they had nothing to do with the "China virus" rhetoric. Strange that your first thought is to blame Trump for this mass shooting.

Why does it matter? Are you kidding me? The information that you are missing is that attacks and murder of asian people have gone up significantly. The rates have soared, ok? All within one year. And not only in US. I could link you a bunch articles about the murder of innocent asian people in 2020 and 2021, all carried out by idiots like this. All had one thing in common, they were either trump supporters or nazies. Trump did a lot of damage there to Asian people living in the US. If you dont believe me just ask anyone thats Asian. And this is the FIRST time in history this kind of thing is happening to asian people abroad of Asia. And it's not only me that believes this, as you can see thousands of people from Asian communities say and think this.

It's no coincidence, that I can tell you. The animosity towards Asians has spiked in the recent year, as many idiots believe Asians are responsible for the corona virus. This belief is quite paradox, as we are the ones exploting Asia. If we didn't exploit them and made our stuff at out soil, none of this would have happened. At least not to this extend. Same can be said about the aids virus and Africa. We are the ones exploiting them. Without exploitation no problems. It's almost karmic. Maybe we get what we deserve and this is the universes way of telling us we do something wrong.

As to the attacker, his actions didn't make any sense, why would his words make any sense? This looks me as a bet bet check fold line. Or a donk lead out fold bluff line. He's 21 and doesn't know why he did what and how to justify it. He very likely picked up the animosiy on the internet or live and now he just can't justify it. So he mucked.

"Hate crimes against Asian Americans surge in US"

"Asians are becoming the targets of a growing number of hate crimes in the U.S."

"Biden 'very concerned' as more than 500 assaults reported from start of 2021"

Well if Biden is concerned it was trump who wasn't, he even worsened the situation.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/So...s-surge-in-US2

How much of this you think is coincidental?

Also from this article. What more do you want? But I'm sure you're right and everything is just a big coincidence.

"A survey conducted by the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University, San Bernardino found that even as the number of hate crimes in 16 cities, including New York and Los Angeles, fell 7% on the year to 1,717 in 2020, crimes against Asians jumped 150%.

U.S. media reported Tuesday's Atlanta shootings as a top news item on Wednesday as well. Robert Aaron Long, the 21-year-old suspect, attacked three Asian massage parlors, leaving eight people dead, including six Asian women.

The recent attacks have also become a diplomatic headache for the Biden administration.

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said Thursday he hopes the U.S. rectifies discriminatory practices against Asian Americans amid the increasing attacks against the group.

The issue was also discussed at the "two-plus-two" talks in Seoul between the top diplomats and defense chiefs of the U.S. and South Korea.

"We'd like to send our deepest sympathies to those who were among those sacrificed [in Atlanta]. We confirmed that there are also Korean Americans," South Korean Foreign Minister Chung Eui-yong told reporters. "It is our utmost interest to seek the safety of those Koreans living in the U.S." "

Everyone hung up on the sheriff saying “he was having a really bad day” just wants to be outraged. The guy is trying to give information; the suspect says he did it for sex reason and talks about his bad day pushing him over the edge so the sheriff is paraphrasing here.

As far as motive. Once you mass murder like this why would you lie? Dylan roof killed a bunch of black people because he wanted to start a race war. The new zeleand mosque shooter wanted the same against Muslim. The Texas border/Walmart shooter same thing but Hispanic. They all told why.

Why is hard to believe this guy was getting rub and tugs or more and hated himself and his sex problems and projected the fault lie in the places that were giving him these services? Especially when he said so. Occams razor

It is hard to believe because these spas were not even the kind of establishment where you could receive that kind of service imo. Also agwise, why would you kill seniors?

It doesnt strike me as such a place, then again they say in the second video he was a regular and the spa was open 24 hours. So I dont really know what kind of establishment it was.

It doesnt really matter, the bigger picture is Asians have become targets for no real reason.

Either video will give you a decent idea.

0.20 min a couple was shot on a spa date in seperate rooms, so this was a regular spa.

The list of people who died does not strike me as sex workers though, so I have my doubts. Koreans are not known to run brothels imo. Also would it mean that they switch from regular spa at day to brothel at nights since they apperently offer regular massages. I dont want to get too hung up on this topic.

Did general animosity towards Asians and kung-flu rhetorics play a role? I dont know, but its worth thinking about it imo. I think the covid situation and the general attitude might have played a signifcant role.

If this startribune is reliable you could be right and this is an isolated case.

"All three businesses where people were fatally shot Tuesday have detailed recent reviews on an online site that leads users to places that provide sexual services."

https://www.startribune.com/attacked...ngs/600036268/