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Appalling conditions at US/MEX border prompt complaint; hidden barb wire traps are killing folk Appalling conditions at US/MEX border prompt complaint; hidden barb wire traps are killing folk

07-26-2023 , 05:56 PM
What should be done here?

https://www.cbsnews.com/texas/news/r...ling-migrants/

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/...ment-rcna95351

Good afternoon, [REDACTED].

My name is [REDACTED] I am a very proud Trooper and Medic for Texas DPS. I love this State and this Department. I fully understand the mission of Operation Lone Star and completely agree that we need to secure the border from bad people. I want to inform you of some of the issues we had while working the operation as a Trooper Medic from 6/24/23 to 7/1/23 in Eagle Pass TX.

On 6/25/23 we went on patrol to see how many gates were locked on the fence line south of the casualty wire at approximately 2200. In while doing so we came across 120 people camped out along the fence line. In this group there was several small children and babies who were nursing. The entire group was exhausted hungry and tired. We called the shift officer in command, and we were given orders to push the people back into the water to go to Mexico. We decided that this was not the correct thing to do. With the very real potential of exhausted people drowning. We made contact with command again and expressed our concerns and we were given the order to tell them to go to Mexico and get into our vehicle and leave. After we left, members of the brush team coordinated with Border patrol and got the people processed and taken care of.

On 6/30/23 at approximately 1500 we had group of people at the casualty wire seeking refuge. In this group was a 4 year old female who attempted to cross the wire and was pressed back by Texas Guard soldiers due to the orders given to them. The temperature was well over 100 degrees. Shortly thereafter the 4 year old passed out due to exhaustion and a DPS Sgt and Texas Guard Soldier extricated the patient and transported to us. We provided treatment to the unresponsive patient and transferred care to EMS.

On 6/30/23 we had an adult male with a significant laceration in his left leg. We asked him what happened and he stated that he had a child who was stuck on a trap in the water. He said that there was a barrel that had casualty wire all over it and his child was stuck on it. He extricated his kid and while doing so the barrel trap lacerated his leg.

On 6/30/23 we had a 15 year old male child who while walking in the river due to the casualty wire being laid out in a manner that it forced him into the river where it is unsafe to travel. In while doing so he broke his right leg and his father carried him the rest of the way to the Rosetta gate. We then splinted the leg and transferred care to EMS.

On 6/30/23 at approximately 2130 while patrolling the casualty wire near Pecan Farms we came across a 19 year old female who was in obvious pain stuck in the casualty wire who was doubled over. We cut her out of the wire and medically assessed her. She was pregnant and was having a miscarriage. We promptly coordinated with Eagle Pass EMS and transferred care.

With the casualty wire running for several miles along the river in areas where it is easier for people to cross. It forces people to cross in other areas that are deeper and not as safe for people carrying kids and bags. On 7/1/23 at approximately 1630 we had reports from border patrol that there was a mother and two children struggling to cross the river. Our TMU boat team searched for the victims and found the mother and one child who went under the water for a minute. They rescued two of victims and started life saving measures. They were transferred to Eagle Pass EMS and were later called deceased at the hospital. The other child that Border Patrol saw was never found. In total 5 people drowned this week in the area of operation.

I truly believe in the mission of Operation Lone Star; I believe we a have stepped over a line into the in humane. We need to operate it correctly in the eyes of God. We need to recognize that these are people who are made in the image of God and need to be treated as such. The casualty wire needs to provide protection to the state and provide a safe means of travel on solid land to proper collection points. The wire also needs to be manned and patrolled constantly to provide security for these families who are seeking refuge. The wire on the shore needs to be lighted at night so people can see the wire and not stumble into it as a trap. The wire and barrels in the river needs to be taken out as this is nothing but a in humane trap in high water and low visibility. Due to the extreme heat, the order to not give people water needs to be immediately reversed as well. I also believe that forcing refugees to cross back into Mexico vs getting them to Border Patrol is putting them back in the hands of the Cartels where they are assaulted robbed and raped. This plays into advantage of the Cartels as they can charge them again to cross them over. I say all of this in due respect and deep concern, thank you.
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07-27-2023 , 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
What should be done here?

https://www.cbsnews.com/texas/news/r...ling-migrants/

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/...ment-rcna95351

Good afternoon, [REDACTED].

My name is [REDACTED] I am a very proud Trooper and Medic for Texas DPS. I love this State and this Department. I fully understand the mission of Operation Lone Star and completely agree that we need to secure the border from bad people. I want to inform you of some of the issues we had while working the operation as a Trooper Medic from 6/24/23 to 7/1/23 in Eagle Pass TX.

On 6/25/23 we went on patrol to see how many gates were locked on the fence line south of the casualty wire at approximately 2200. In while doing so we came across 120 people camped out along the fence line. In this group there was several small children and babies who were nursing. The entire group was exhausted hungry and tired. We called the shift officer in command, and we were given orders to push the people back into the water to go to Mexico. We decided that this was not the correct thing to do. With the very real potential of exhausted people drowning. We made contact with command again and expressed our concerns and we were given the order to tell them to go to Mexico and get into our vehicle and leave. After we left, members of the brush team coordinated with Border patrol and got the people processed and taken care of.

On 6/30/23 at approximately 1500 we had group of people at the casualty wire seeking refuge. In this group was a 4 year old female who attempted to cross the wire and was pressed back by Texas Guard soldiers due to the orders given to them. The temperature was well over 100 degrees. Shortly thereafter the 4 year old passed out due to exhaustion and a DPS Sgt and Texas Guard Soldier extricated the patient and transported to us. We provided treatment to the unresponsive patient and transferred care to EMS.

On 6/30/23 we had an adult male with a significant laceration in his left leg. We asked him what happened and he stated that he had a child who was stuck on a trap in the water. He said that there was a barrel that had casualty wire all over it and his child was stuck on it. He extricated his kid and while doing so the barrel trap lacerated his leg.

On 6/30/23 we had a 15 year old male child who while walking in the river due to the casualty wire being laid out in a manner that it forced him into the river where it is unsafe to travel. In while doing so he broke his right leg and his father carried him the rest of the way to the Rosetta gate. We then splinted the leg and transferred care to EMS.

On 6/30/23 at approximately 2130 while patrolling the casualty wire near Pecan Farms we came across a 19 year old female who was in obvious pain stuck in the casualty wire who was doubled over. We cut her out of the wire and medically assessed her. She was pregnant and was having a miscarriage. We promptly coordinated with Eagle Pass EMS and transferred care.

With the casualty wire running for several miles along the river in areas where it is easier for people to cross. It forces people to cross in other areas that are deeper and not as safe for people carrying kids and bags. On 7/1/23 at approximately 1630 we had reports from border patrol that there was a mother and two children struggling to cross the river. Our TMU boat team searched for the victims and found the mother and one child who went under the water for a minute. They rescued two of victims and started life saving measures. They were transferred to Eagle Pass EMS and were later called deceased at the hospital. The other child that Border Patrol saw was never found. In total 5 people drowned this week in the area of operation.

I truly believe in the mission of Operation Lone Star; I believe we a have stepped over a line into the in humane. We need to operate it correctly in the eyes of God. We need to recognize that these are people who are made in the image of God and need to be treated as such. The casualty wire needs to provide protection to the state and provide a safe means of travel on solid land to proper collection points. The wire also needs to be manned and patrolled constantly to provide security for these families who are seeking refuge. The wire on the shore needs to be lighted at night so people can see the wire and not stumble into it as a trap. The wire and barrels in the river needs to be taken out as this is nothing but a in humane trap in high water and low visibility. Due to the extreme heat, the order to not give people water needs to be immediately reversed as well. I also believe that forcing refugees to cross back into Mexico vs getting them to Border Patrol is putting them back in the hands of the Cartels where they are assaulted robbed and raped. This plays into advantage of the Cartels as they can charge them again to cross them over. I say all of this in due respect and deep concern, thank you.
BUILD A WALL AND HAVE MEXICO PAY FOR IT
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07-28-2023 , 11:03 AM
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08-03-2023 , 03:57 PM
The border should be open.
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08-03-2023 , 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
The border should be open.
Just like it used to be

Make America great again
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08-03-2023 , 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
The border should be open.
What if AI replaces 90% of the jobs and the govt has to pay a UBI to all its citizens?
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08-03-2023 , 10:08 PM
Sounds great
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08-04-2023 , 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by formula72
What if AI replaces 90% of the jobs and the govt has to pay a UBI to all its citizens?

Are you assuming that the UBI costs More than it gives back?


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08-04-2023 , 07:32 PM
The missing bit is the phenominal wealth being created when ~all the jobs can be done without human labour.
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08-04-2023 , 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
The missing bit is the phenominal wealth being created when ~all the jobs can be done without human labour.
I'm sure all the extra funds will be dispersed and appropriately allocated while welcoming new beings to its payroll.
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08-04-2023 , 08:23 PM
It would be a good idea to disperse the tech as well.

Keeping most of the wealth on one side of a border is a hideous prospect. An all too real hideous prospect.
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08-04-2023 , 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
It would be a good idea to disperse the tech as well.

Keeping most of the wealth on one side of a border is a hideous prospect. An all too real hideous prospect.
All the tech that would be advantageous to disperse will be dispersed. In this model, govt relies and is supported by the businesses - they are the workers now.
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08-04-2023 , 09:14 PM
advantageous to who?

I think a model of dispersion which doesn't include hideous borders is the way to go.
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08-04-2023 , 09:24 PM
Advantageous to the company. Like harnessing wind farms from Mars at a price would be advantagous to the whole world and generate revenue to help pay all the jobless poor bastards in the US. It's going to be that demand for tech that cam both save the planet and bring folks out of poverty at the same time.
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08-04-2023 , 09:31 PM
That's a view but companies dont mind a lot of poor people. Especially if they dont need their labour

We agree the tech will generate wealth but disribution is going to be tricky for capitalism when labour is valueless
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08-04-2023 , 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
That's a view but companies dont mind a lot of poor people. Especially if they dont need their labour
Why is that? Id imagine that companies want their customers to be able to afford and buy what their selling.

Companies want poor people to work for them. But we figured that out now
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08-04-2023 , 09:46 PM
A little but they compete to pay the least towards it. They will be quite happy owned by kings while keeping the peasants minimally satsified. The wealth of the peasants will even increase over time

In your view - why would they want borders?
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08-04-2023 , 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
A little but they compete to pay the least towards it. They will be quite happy owned by kings while keeping the peasants minimally satsified. The wealth of the peasants will even increase over time

In your view - why would they want borders?
Why would the businesses want open borders? I'm not sure that it's certain that they wouldn't as I'd imagine that there would be some degree of a conflict of interest between them and an operational govt.

But if the businesses of the future represent something similar to the ones that we have now, I'd image that they'd prefer enough disposable income to go towards their products and services than spreading the money too thin to where such a high % is going towards govt run programs and are stuck in a permanent deflationary state of a recession l.
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08-05-2023 , 02:19 AM
But your idea is that they give money to people to make profits.

If that works then the more people to give money too the better it is for the companies.
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08-05-2023 , 08:31 AM
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08-05-2023 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
But your idea is that they give money to people to make profits.

If that works then the more people to give money too the better it is for the companies.
Yeah, the larger corporations will almost certainly be better off but not necessarily the people and not the smaller businesses.

If 2 million people are replaced by AI at walmart, a good scenario would be one where those 2 million people are paid their wages in the form of a UBI from the 5,000 stores out of an increase in net income through a decrease in expenses due to AI and still allow walmart to stay in business and sell products. If 2 million more people come in, we can just pay them money and then walmart would build another 5k stores and in order serve another 2 million people and make more money.

An issue there is that it doesn't work that way for a lot of other businesses and it puts a wedge between them and someone like walmart. It's kind of like the good paying jobs of before when people worked at the auto industry and put tires on cars just to have their jobs outsourced to China to people willing to work for less. Those workers who lost their jobs either went up or down. Not everyone of them became an Elon Musk or a manager so a lot of them ended up working for the remaining companies like walmart or McDonalds for less money. But now, the US has the cheap labor and not only do they have an increase in leverage to kick out the competition but they now can dictate what you make and how you live much more than before.
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