Wait, why is Soros off limits?

The first point I think is a bad and endless defense of the status quo. Expecting a 100% peaceful government to organically grow out of generations of occupation is ridiculous. The left does not need to glorify Hamas, but if dealing with them is what it takes for occupation to end, then they must be dealt with, the same way that the Israeli government (also terrible) must be dealt with. Now people are tribal and dumb people will support Hamas the same as some dumb people on the left support Lenin or Mao, but that doesn't mean it's ok to just wait forever.

Sadly your moral equivalents do not stretch into international law equivalents. If Hamas' private army had been an official Palestinian branch, Israel would have internationally recognized casus belli for a war declaration.

Which Hamas' is of course acutely aware of, they're not stupid.

Anti-Semitic conspiracy theories are off limits. IME roughly 99% of the time the name gets mentioned in a political context it's in reference to those kinds of theories. I have not, in fact, made any absolute rule against mentioning Soros or anything, but I'm going to be pretty sensitive about the above reality.

Isn't the blockade of Gaza casus belli for a war declaration?

I think when Soros' name is mentioned it's usually done exactly how Fly just used it--as an attempt to smear people as anti-semitic. We could do search in this forum even.

The "political context" mentioned in my post is larger than this forum. After all, my previous comment implies that I would tend to delete most mentions of his name, so it follows that whatever is left behind is going to be usages that look like what fly posted. So you can't really test the premise by searching this forum.

If you want to deal with Palestine you should probably do so with the official government, not Hamas. It will be tricky business however, since both the Fatah and Hamas claim to control the official government.

Don’t worry, I bet you can still get away with calling them globalists or internationalists or banksters or whatever dogwhistle is trendy these days.

I don't have any particular interest in going after Soros. There are times when I might wish to attack organizations he helps fund though like moveon.org. And when I talk about the fake-left I include anything that has to do with Soros. It's important though that the right to go after any individual is preserved regardless of their race, ethnicity, or creed.

Or you can go **** yourself?

This is pretty conspiratorial. Soros has donated to moveon, back in 2004, and it amounted to about 3% of MoveOn's total fundraising.

Soros has some issues which many on the left agree with, but he's definitely not a leftist. Most of his political action is much more along the lines of real classical liberal - not the people who fake that and are really fascists - but for real. He campaigns for things like a free press, civil liberty, and individuality.

The Soros' conspiracy theories are full-blown nazism and rightwing extremism, so your opportunity to go after someone "regardless of their race, ethnicity, or creed" are already dashed.

My understanding is that Netanyahu supports Hamas, including allowing and even facilitating the foreign funding of their military wing, because they are a useful entity in keeping the Palestinians divided and weak. So in a roundabout way, this would indicate both sides are client states of America.

I do find it a little amusing though that Fly seems to believe Hamas isn't just puppets in geopolitical games much bigger than them, when pretty much all their funding comes from foreign sources, and a lot of it goes through Israel.

Of course the Palestinian people are the true victims in all of this politicking, and all the BDS and 2 state solution rhetoric is just political theatre and is doing nothing to improve their situation one iota.

for me I always think people who constantly say they are only against the Israeli government, whilst constantly attacking Israel in posts, yet never making a post about how bad the government of Gaza is, is usually a red flag for anti Semitism.

Is Soros' role in the Ukranian conflict worth exploring--if he is to be be posited as a philanthropic champion of certain ideas?
What makes a thing off limits to discuss? Because nazis have discussed it?

Hamas runs the civilian government of Gaza. Israel deprives Gaza of the opportunity to get things like food and electricity elsewhere and provides it to Gaza itself. Is that the support you're talking about? Because if you think Israel is providing weapons to Hamas you are a conspiracy nut.

As far as the Palestinian people being pawns....duh. It's still not a justification for occupation.

This looks like it's from a right leaning place but it's on the Open Society Foundation.
https://www.influencewatch.org/non-p...y-foundations/
I agree that he is not a leftist. But if you were to read this and take it at face you would assume that he is. But I'm curious why you think he isn't one when he is funding so much ostensibly leftist stuff (save fascism in Ukraine) around the world?

In general, there’s a very long and ugly history of the right-wing accusing the Jews of running a secret cabal that control the world’s banks and media and etc, along with an assortment of wink-and-nod euphemisms used by anti-Semites.

So naturally when you come in here peddling conspiracy theories about how Soros made Russia invade the Ukraine in a manner that’s indistinguishable from the people who used to accuse the Rothschilds of starting the Napoleonic Wars, it’s kind of a bad look and maybe you should be a bit more cautious in how you frame things.

This has all of course been explained to you many times before.

Basically this, but I try to be nicer in how I say it.

I realize there’s like a 75% chance he replies by telling us that the Rothschilds really did control Napoleon.

https://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-C...divided-583082

I am talking about the link above. I think making a distinction between supporting Hamas and supporting Hamas's military (where they wouldn't exist without their military) is semantics.

Unfortunately there's some mixing of antisemitism in the anti-Israel activist crowd, but fundamentally the antisemitism in the US and Europe is just a facet of xenophobia generally and xenophobes hate outsiders period. Every non-Jewish Islamophobe is either openly antisemitic now or you better believe they will be openly antisemitic at the drop of a hat. There's no such thing as the White Christian who has some degree of hostility or disgust at every other group in the world, but thinks that Jews are ok. The Right in the US has an alliance with the Right in Israel and that's it. Any Jews who sidle up to the Right in the US are suckers.

The Left in the US support the oppressed and the underdog. That's why they protest Israel and support Gaza.

And, if you actually looked at Americans who do more than clutch pearls about the conditions of people in Gaza and look at people who have tried to do something to actually help people, to help them materially and to get more political rights inside Gaza, do you think you'd find mostly Right-wingers or Leftists?

We probably need to have a talk on how the Ukranian civil war actually started and it might need its own thread because you seem to have some wrong ideas.

As far as there being a "conspiracy" it seems to me it is a conspiracy that everyone is in on; including (but not limited to): Israel, the US, France, Britain, Iran, Saudia Arabia, Qatar, Hamas, Hezbollah, Fatah, etc.