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A poor sport is someone who complains about the fairness of a match, then attempts to change the rules when the outcome of the match is not what they wanted. The Democratic party has a long history of trying to change the rules, only to their chagrin when they still lose.

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The point is, you want to talk about obstruction. The Democratic party obstructed the CRA. The Republican party was founded on ending slavery, who obstructed that goal?

LOL @ this toxic clown trying to talk to his betters about history. That you think the party names here have anything to do with the current parties, which have completely switch alignment since this, is just hilariously dumb.

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09-20-2020 , 09:25 PM

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Republicans--we ended Slavery!!

And these days are running around cosplaying as Confederate soldiers and flying Confederate flags--quite the tumble

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09-20-2020 , 10:56 PM

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Yep. The republicans will rue the day they don't get it done and Biden gets elected. Nobody in their right minds gives up an opportunity like this especially looking at the polls.

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09-20-2020 , 11:34 PM

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Yep. The republicans will rue the day they don't get it done and Biden gets elected. Nobody in their right minds gives up an opportunity like this especially looking at the polls.

Yeah, and Harry Reid changed the rules to get judges appointed after the Democrats started this war on blocking judges, a long time ago.

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In the context of appellate nominations, Senate Democrats decided to begin opposing some of President Reagan’s nominees in 1986. Although they did not frame their opposition in ideological terms, this initial effort was clearly motivated by a desire to prevent the Reagan Administration from stocking the courts with judicial nominees who shared the administration’s conservative judicial philosophy. This initial effort yielded a few victories — a few nominees were defeated (including Jeff Sessions, who now sits on the Senate Judiciary Committee) — but 88 percent of Reagan’s appellate nominees were confirmed. Efforts to block conservative judicial nominees by delaying confirmation increased during the latter half of George H. W. Bush’s Administration and, as a consequence, only 79 percent of his appellate nominees were confirmed. (Data on confirmation rates are taken from this Brookings Institution report by Russell Wheeler.)

The GOP returned the favor during Clinton's terms, and the D's took it one step further during Bush II's terms, and the GOP followed suit against Obama. At least until H. Reid put an end to it. They both play hardball with judges, so when the opportunity to put judges on the bench comes along, they both take it.

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09-21-2020 , 12:12 AM

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As IHIV admits above, Republicans under Obama escalated this obstruction to levels never seen before. Exactly like I said earlier, which caused him to throw a tantrum and start bleating about the Civil Rights Act.

Glad he finally came around to see the obvious!

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09-21-2020 , 02:23 AM

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That's exactly what people are saying. The structure of the US electoral system favors one party who then write the rules to favor itself even more so that the other party must win more and more votes in order to win, making its odds of winning less and less.

Which is bad, but what's worse is listening to the most coddled voters in the world outside a dictatorship tell people that they should have to win the sea doo dealership owners who want to see people executed by firing squads or else 'them's the breaks'

As someone in a state that your types don’t care about, I’m very happy there is an electoral college. I’m not really interested in California deciding elections, they can’t even take care of their own state it’s embarrassing. If everyone in America voted and was educated enough to not just click buttons sure, get rid of the electoral college, but that’s not what happens.

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09-21-2020 , 02:54 AM

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I’m not really interested in California deciding elections, they can’t even take care of their own state it’s embarrassing. If everyone in America voted and was educated enough to not just click buttons sure, get rid of the electoral college

Huh, shocking, it's blue state after blue state when you sort by college education. So weird!

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09-21-2020 , 03:00 AM

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Huh, shocking, it's blue state after blue state when you sort by college education. So weird!

What does any of that have to do with being educated? Very clearly I’m talking about being educated about whom they’re voting for, what they’re voting for, and why they’re voting for it. Before you come with the insults, no I’m not a Republican and no I’m not replying here any more because I have better things to do than argue with people that refuse to have a conversation. Do keep in mind, normal people are quite fed up with the left and right, that’s why we’re voting for the great orange man once again. Cheers mate, hope you all find some peace in life.

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09-21-2020 , 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by OneShotToLive

Very clearly I’m talking about being educated about whom they’re voting for, what they’re voting for, and why they’re voting for it

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normal people are quite fed up with the left and right, that’s why we’re voting for the great orange man

amazing

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09-21-2020 , 03:44 AM

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funny when it helps you, you find easy analogy (1) but are on the heavy trolling side when it doesn't suits you (2).

"Reproductive Rights= Killing unborn babies" is not an analogy. It is a literally true.

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09-21-2020 , 03:53 AM

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The government controlling women's bodies, telling its citizens who they can love and marry, forcing your religious beliefs on other citizens etc.etc.

30% of American taking the other 70% of this country back to the 50's America = Gloves come off

DC statehood, no filibuster, appoint 3 SCOTUS judges, pass voting rights act, climate change, tax the super rich, corporations must pay a minimum tax.

1. EVERY law "forces a belief" on somebody.

2. EVERY law is enforced by violence.

3. #1 and #2 are true whatever the motivation of a law's proponents.

4. The Black Churches were the great power base for the Civil Rights movement. Don't recall anyone screaming "separation of church and state" over that movement.

5. Religion influences culture which influences politics.

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09-21-2020 , 04:00 AM

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1. EVERY law "forces a belief" on somebody.

Could you please expand a little on what you mean by this?

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09-21-2020 , 04:12 AM

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In any case, I'm glad there's no disagreement here that should Dems retake the House + Senate + presidency, they're well within their rights to add several justices to the court should they wish.

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09-21-2020 , 04:13 AM

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Well it goes with the second part where it demonstrate republican are for law and orders only when it advantages them ......

Both parties like law and order when it suits their purposes.

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09-21-2020 , 04:30 AM

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Huh, shocking, it's blue state after blue state when you sort by college education. So weird!

I wouldn't equate schooling with education.

As Mark Twain famously remarked: "I never let schooling interfere with my education."

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09-21-2020 , 04:45 AM

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Could you please expand a little on what you mean by this?

Sure will.

An example: If I believe that everybody ought to take an annual flu vaccine, I must use my powers of persuasion to encourage people to get the vaccine.

However, if a law is passed requiring that everyone MUST receive an annual flu vaccine, I no longer need to persuade anyone on the value of getting the vaccine . Anyone who doesn't get the vaccine is either fined or put in jail.

The general question of law is, under what circumstances can someone be FORCED to do something by threat of violence (i.e. incarceration)?

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09-21-2020 , 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by lagtight

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but I don't see how your explanation defines laws as "forced beliefs". Laws compel or proscribe certain conduct, but I can't see how they can force you to believe something.

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09-21-2020 , 05:13 AM

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Sorry, I was unclear.

Using my flu vaccine example, if I believe that flu vaccines should be taken by everyone, I am only FORCING my belief on a person if a law REQUIRES them to ACT on my belief.

It doesn't matter if they AGREE that my belief is true or not.

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09-21-2020 , 06:53 AM

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As Mark Twain famously remarked: "I never let schooling interfere with my education."

Mark Twain also famously remarked: "Man is the only animal that blushes... or needs to"

Definitely a sentiment that applies to the shitshow ITT. Seriously, pushing the tired bad-faith BS about "Republicans freed the slaves, ergo today's Democrats are the racists" should be an instaban at this point.

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09-21-2020 , 08:30 AM

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You must have missed the circus a while back about how Hitler was really a socialist, that was a hoot.

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09-21-2020 , 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by OneShotToLive

Do keep in mind, normal people are quite fed up with the left and right, that’s why we’re voting for the great orange man once again. Cheers mate, hope you all find some peace in life.

Come on dude--trump is partisan to the extreme lol

I'm not an R but...just fed up with left/right and that's why I decided to say f it and throw a rock of pure R in the pipe and blast off

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09-21-2020 , 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by lagtight

"Reproductive Rights= Killing unborn babies" is not an analogy. It is a literally true.

Birth control is part of reproductive rights, and that doesn't kill any unborn babies.

Forced birth is de facto slavery.

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09-21-2020 , 12:16 PM

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You must have missed the circus a while back about how Hitler was really a socialist, that was a hoot.

Hitler was a National Socialist

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09-21-2020 , 12:25 PM

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Hitler was a National Socialist

Do you think the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is democratic?

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