Anyway...nobody think its odd that the people who tear down statues, adore some crackhead drugsdealer?

I don't think George Floyd as a person is 'beloved'. Sure there are t-shirts and murals with his face on them, but he didn't choose to the focal point of the protests. That choice was made for him by dirtbag police officers.

The people tearing down the confederate statues believe that their inequalities in regards to income, job prospects and incarceration rates are tied to slavery.

The woke mob tearing down U.S. Grant statues and complaining about cereal, syrup, Forrest Gump and Gone With the Wind are children that have nothing else to do but try to get attention and virtue-signal that they're the 'good' white people.

Who are these people? Do you know?

I'm asking because I sincerely don't. The first I heard about Gone With The Wind was when HBO said "we're temporarily removing it". The first I heard about Aunt Jemima was when they announced they were going to change the name. I don't even know what cereal you're referring to and I've heard nothing about Forrest Gump in recent days.

I'm pretty sure you would call me one of the "children" in the "woke mob" yet I have never been exposed to a single person in the category you describe. How can that be?

Quite simple. I don't consider you a Woke Mob person. You actually dig into issues, find good info and cogently debate with people (albeit sometimes mocking people). I typically don't agree with your views, but so what? Woke Mob children serve to cancel culture, attack always in an ad hominem manner, and ignore every fact that doesn't go in their favor.

Forrest Gump has been deemed 'troublesome' b/c he got his name from Nathaniel Bedford Forrest, the original Imperial Grand Lizard King or whatever the head of the KKK is called. Variety magazine has a list of 10 movies that need 'Warning Labels' due to the content. It's easily found online.

The cereal I'm referring to is Coco Pops. Rice Krispies has 3 elves (Snap, Crackle, Pop) and the chocolate version of that has a monkey as the character. I would say equating 'Chocolate cereal' with 'Black People' and then making the leap that the monkey means black people would be much more racist than just looking at the cereal box as a goofy cartoon. But anyway that's what the woke mob does. Invent things to be mad about and carry out attacks against anyone that disagrees.

I think this is a great example for discussion.

You find this problematic, where "this" is...let's see...a single clickbait listicle written by someone at Variety.

That's it, that's the only outrage I found. That article was a top search result for "Forrest Gump" (screenshot of my results) and the only one that indicated anyone is upset with it for any reason at this moment. This author's argument does not appear to have caught on with anyone in the world at large. There is no Woke Mob screaming for Forrest Gump to get CANCELLED, contrary to your argument above.

This reminds me of not long ago when revots wept about Paw Patrol getting CANCELLED, calling it evidence of something out of George Orwell. It seemed unimportant to his argument that, by all accounts, the event he decried doesn't appear to have actually happened.

It would of course be fun and entertaining and lols would be had by all for me to single out the most extreme and idiotic takes written by whatever group of people you agree with, and pretend that they're representative of your whole group. But that wouldn't make it true.

Either you're getting totally hoodwinked by the media you read into thinking "Oh my god, Woke Mob Cancel Culture Is Taking Over The World" based on total bullshit, or you're doing it intentionally. Whichever it is, neither reflects very well on you.

There was outrage about Forrest Gump before by very small forums that brought up the Nathan Forrest angle, and didn't like the portrayals of Bubba and Jenny (racism and misogynism). Now due to the wokesters firing on all cylinders, the outrage has made it to a magazine like Variety, which has 17 million unique monthly visitors. This isn't some fringe website.
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You haven't done this? Come on man. I'll admit that I do this sometimes, b/c I can admit I'm flawed and I like to stir things up to get a rise out of people. But you treat the 'Trumpers' all the same, and lols are had. I know, b/c I lol.

They're not taking over the world. My point is that Woke Culture (the OOBOO's) are now able to alter 'questionable' movies, eliminate 'questionable' cartoons, and label anyone that disagrees with them a racist b/c no one is standing up to their nonsense. Before June 2020 idiotic criticisms about Forrest Gump, Gone With the Wind and Uncle Ben's Rice weren't paid any attention. But now these progressive ideas are moved to the front in this strange culture war.

Your counterargument is that...yes, the Variety clickbait listicle is evidence of Woke Outrage Cancel Culture Out Of Control?

Hahaha, sure thing bro. Maybe I had revots all wrong and those 4 Twitter users joking about canceling Paw Patrol really are an Orwellian mob!

No, not really. It would be easy and fun to treat all conservatives on this site like they're Richard Spencer, but I don't need to, the stuff they reveal about themselves voluntarily is plenty good enough for material.

This is patently false, there's an internet full of outraged conservatives whining about cancel culture. This is the same dumb **** the Intellectual Dark Web morons do, crying about being silenced all the time atop their perches of *checks notes* national columns in the New York Times. Dunno if you noticed today but the President of the United States had some things to say about our beautiful statues to his legion of adoring fans that all agree with him, some of whom have violently attacked the people trying to take them down.

The issue is not that nobody is standing up to them. The issue is that the people standing up to them have an inferior argument.

"Gone with the Wind" was made in a time with a cancel culture that makes 2020 look like peanuts.

Enjoy the film anyone who wants to, it's just art from a bygone era. But to celebrate it because today is "cancel culture" is rather outrageous when the movie comes from a time when the US still had widespread state and city censorship boards, and a movie industry in fear of even more government censorship enacted strict morality standards to movie production.

They were 100% traitors. In the aftermath though they were not prosecuted because the government at that time to focus on rebuilding and healing.

I am not sure how any lens could see them not as traitors. Being a traitor is not always holding a negative connotation. In this case, though, it properly should.

Imagine being anti book like TChaz.

I don’t think Trump uses crack. He uses longer lasting methamphetamines. I also am not aware of any period were he sold or distributed drugs to others.

He has always just been a very heavy end user.

And the people nonsensically opposing the removal of these statues are the racist had people. This much is painfully clear.

Goofy,

You have never had N-Word Flakes?

After growing up eating Aunt Jemima syrup I was mostly like "whatever", but after seeing this today:



I figured I should educate myself. What if I was maligning the memory of a great American icon? Am I the baddie?

Anyway, a trip to her Wikipedia page revealed about what you'd expect:

lol how on earth did she make it this long? This country is racist as fuuuuuuuuuuck

Certainly confederate soldiers are not US soldiers. They’d bristle at the suggestion. They were willing to die to protect their way of life which the US was trying to wrest away.

Many confederate soldiers “were” US soldiers before the War, and I assume many became US soldiers after it.

In some cases Confederate soldiers’ motivation was greed, in others their hate, in others a combination of unlaudable traits, and in yet others mere geography and callow ignorance. Without question, the Confederacy, like the Nazi Party which most closely adhered to its trappings, was a creation of evil leaders, a willing unquestioning citizenry, and a failure of state leadership. Had the men who settled what became the US been less greedy, evil, and entitled perhaps there would have been no antecedent for the slavery which precipitated the fight. In many cases, the sins of the father fall to the son. Although that’s not to say the son is without agency to right the wrongs of the father.

It is a good and right thing that these unforgivably awful images and symbols are being interrogated and torn down. It is only when commercial culture is not permitted to traffic in hate that an oppressed people can begin to breathe freely.

In my humble opinion, these sorts of insidious racial aspects of pop culture do more harm than even the statues of Confederate soldiers. I certainly cheer their expulsion from society more vehemently.

The statues should be removed even if that wasn't true.

Confederate soldiers killed people and risked death so that it would remain legal to enslave black people. The fact is that even racists should be opposed to those statues.

Aunt Jemima was a symbol of goodness and wholesomeness, so it makes sense that Leftists would want her gone.

Should statues be removed via votes in a council, or should mobs be allowed to topple them when and where they see fit? Because it's not just confederate statues being destroyed now.

When the Soviet Union fell, statues of Stalin were toppled in many places, especially in regions were the memories of his terror still lingered. Was it right or was it wrong?

If you mean to ask if it is legal or illegal, that is a largely uninteresting question. Destruction of public property is usually illegal (I say usually, because there have actually been legal toppling of statues done with permits, but I'm unsure if this has been done in the US).

But of course, illegal does not always mean unethical. At some point it was illegal to help a slave escape. It was illegal for black people to sit in front of the bus as a protest against segregation. It was illegal for a white person to marry a black person at some point. Heck, the revolution that freed the US from its colonial masters was illegal.

That isn't to say the law is disconnected from ethics, it is not. But it certainly isn't a final arbiter on ethics.

I would say it was right. Did the Russian citizens also topple statues that weren't connected to Stalin?

I think it's actually a very interesting question. Should we keep democracy, or move toward a new system of power?

Those illegalites were brought to light by brave people that stood up for what was right, and they set the wheels in motion to have these laws changed. Does that seem like what's happening here with the toppling of Confederate/Union/anyone holding an American flag statues?

Who gets to determine what's ethical or unethical? If we keep allowing an angry mob to desecrate whatever they feel like desecrating, they may eventually ruin something you like. Then what?

I'm fine with getting rid of ALL statues that are on public property. They're basically a form of idolotry, in my opinion.

But they shouldn't be destroyed by a violent mob.

As much as i disagree with taking down statues of Teddy Roosevelt and Christopher Columbus, I don't have a problem with it when it is done correctly.

The NY Museum of Natural History decided to take down the Teddy Roosevelt - I may not like that they caved in to public pressure, but it is their right

Protesters trying to take down Andrew Jackson Statue that they don't like -- not okay

I don’t think a non-aggrieved party gets to decide whether the aggrieved party’s grievance is warranted.

I agree that the soldiers themselves are more abhorrent than the Aunt Jemima symbol.

I don’t think the statues are as destructive to society. They’re losers, they lost, and they’re laughed at by decent people. They should of course be removed, and I don’t think they even warrant veneration in a museum. We don’t need a Hitler statue in a history museum to remember him.

I see an analogy between the criticism of the manner in which statues are torn down and the criticism of the public and dramatic manner in which Kaepernick kneeled. It’s as if those in that camp are determined to be on the wrong side of history (whilst tacitly supporting the wrong side of history).