Who's saying racism is the reason for all their problems? Random af. Sorry for offending you by pointing out objective racism given what we know.

If they had footage of Aubrey on video then this wouldn't be racial profiling, although it would still be aggravated assault and murder. What's the source of this info? Where is the proof of this footage and the police reports?

google around. they released more of the videos. there are like 7 separate incidents that they have arbery roaming around on that property.

the old mcmichael served in some capacity as law enforcement. Lots of speculation that he was undercover since the DA or his attorney won't specify what his actual title was.

so when McMichael sped around arbery in the truck and then jumped out and stood in the path of arbery's sprint, and then when arbery initiated contact with him, and did not run around him, but instead grabbed for the shotgun, punched him twice, and then tried to wrestle the shotgun away from him again, that is when senior McMichael decided to shoot him. given that he is former LE and he has probably been through at least a dozen workshops of when it is legal to use deadly force, seems highly optimistic to think that the DA has any chance to make a murder rap stick. or even aggravated assault.

it's still going to cost McMichael fifty grand in attorney bills and two years of his life before this is cleared up.

if this was a white dude grabbing for the gun of a police officer and then he got shot, it would barely make the news.

if it was a white dude grabbing for the gun of another white private citizen and then he got shot, it might make the news.

but two hillbilly rednecks shooting a young black dude? that is like media gold right there. that is all the corporate media cares about, spamming that video of the shooting and making joe public constantly terrified of racism.

Wookie please delete if not appropriate:

Must be amazing to walk around every day oozing so much entitlement and privilege. What a ****ing luck box to be able to see the world from such a narrowly elitist view

I'm sorry. Which part is racist?

characterizing the mcmichaels as redneck hillbillies?

Giving a legal opinion that the McMichaels will walk?

accusing the corporate media of focusing on the racial aspects of the shooting and fearmongering?

dude, at least make an argument. posting memes is not an argument.

I want your sources to see how full of **** you are.

And my bs detector was correct, you are full of **** bc the father was the only one that didn't shoot his gun, at least according to what is being reported. The son is the one who killed Arbery and the camera man shot a round off too. Apparently there is also audio recording of the father telling his son to stop. Police and law enforcement break the law and cover it up all the time, so the fact that he's ex LEO or that they weren't charged until now doesn't mean diddly squat. Most LEO's are good people, but they are not above the law and they are also human, meaning they are fallible and make mistakes, sometimes even intentionally.

I don't know if seeing a black guy on surveillance footage and then chasing down the first black guy you see running down the street is racial profiling or not. Probably still is but I would most likely give them the benefit of the doubt if it were true. It would have to be surveillance of him actually robbing the place, there should also be recording of that footage since I won't take their word for it, and they would have had to obviously had seen it before they murdered him. Still, no probable cause since they only saw him running and I doubt they'd know for sure that it was the same guy, it's also still aggravated assault and felony murder, which is a mandatory life sentence so excuse me if I don't take their or your word for it. My guess is that it's the footage of him walking into the construction site earlier that day that is being used by people like you to make **** up, and no that footage doesn't absolve them of racial profiling.

Well wouldn't you know, more evidence pointing to how full of **** you are...

I love how outraged you and others are that the media is making a big deal about this and at the same time, you don't seem to care at all that the McMichael's weren't charged until the video footage was leaked to the public, even though the DA had the footage from the beginning. Without the media and public outrage, these men would never have been arrested. Please tell us more about how you're ok with that but the media outrage against a modern day lynching and it's subsequent cover up is what's really wrong with America.

sorry. I was never outraged. If you own a gun as a private citizen and you shoot someone and they die, you expect to have to show up in court and face incredible scrutiny from law enforcement. So why would you think that I am on the McMichael's side? I only posted facts that you are ignoring.

My complaint is how the media makes a circus of this when but they never give a **** if there is a shooting where the perp and the victim are of the same race.

prove me wrong

Dude give me your sources or go back to the gutter you came from. You haven't posted any "facts" as far as I am aware of.

Prove you wrong? I've already proved you wrong several times. How many stories do you want? There's plenty of white on white murder that makes it onto the news. Like, let me just not choose from the long list of school shootings, mass shootings, serial killers, husbands killing wives, wives killing husbands, parents killing children, children killing parents, kids throwing huge rocks off of ****ing bridges onto cars; all white people killing white people. I would say black on black murder doesn't make it onto the news as often, where's your outrage there?

There's a story that was cited in this thread about a white guy that murdered two kids in cold blood for continuously breaking into his house. That good enough for you or do you need more?

The media goes crazy over white children being abducted, you'd think in America only white children ever get abducted, where's your outrage there? Or is it only when you feel white people are being unfairly treated?

This is clearly a situation where you cannot ignore the racial aspect of the case. Sometimes, people on social media do get outraged at officer involved shootings before all the facts are out that turn out to be completely justified. This however wasn't justified, they weren't officers, and there was no probable cause. So again, where is the probable cause? If there is none, then it's by definition racial profiling.

ahh... gutter that I came from. Is that really the pinnacle of your conversation skills? Seriously, please tone it down.


Yes. black on black murder not being reported in the mainstream media, I have a big problem with that. Glad you brought it up.

They weren't officers? The old dude had over 30 years of LE experience. That doesn't count for anything?

But here is a former cop breaking it all down.

Great chart!

Mr. Wookie not a mod of this forum any longer (thank God).

Thanks for sharing this!

I've asked this once already in this thread but I think it's important to consider.

Did the media 'generate' this story or did the public generate it after the prosecutor refused to bring charges or do a proper investigation.

Sure the media loves a story that gets clicks and racial tension gets clicks.
But to go from that to 'the media is trying to convince people that racism is the cause of all their problems' is a stretch. This isn't the story to advance your agenda with.

Also, why is it okay to detain a citizen on the request of your neighbor ?

I've also said this already. It's a word that most of the people making excuses for the shooting don't seem to have in their vocabulary.

Insurance.

It's what you do to protect yourself against theft when you're having a house built. Asking your dumb neighbors to form a posse isn't really a thing. Anyone with enough money to have a house built should have that figured out.

LOL

Copsplaining that one.

Still no felony that I see. I'll await further video.

Seriously. Obv those guys knew his intent lol. And they were just open carrying Hmmm I'm starting to think these newly minted freedom fighters are letting their inner bootlicker shine thru

Is it 100% verified that the interior video(is it from a different day?) going around is the same dude--his hair etc looks different to me/looks like a different person than the other pics of this guy out there.

I would assume from your answer that you are unaware that Homeowners insurance generally excludes coverage for a dwelling that has been unoccupied for 30-60 days. There is speciality insurance available but it is expensive. The house in question was not being built, but renovated.

So you're saying that construction sites aren't insured ?

Or just that it costs money to have the insurance ?

I can't imagine leaving an uninsured dwelling vacant for months, let alone one that had construction going on. That's just irresponsible.

The best part is "we don't know if he was jogging because we can't ask him".

But a 'reasonable' person would assume he committed a felony because he went into the house. Two totally different and randomly convenient standards.

And you get to walk around with a gun in GA and the fact that you're about to use force to effect a citizens arrest isn't a factor ?

I'd be interested in what a prosecutor thinks of those arguments.

I'm 0% white.

The evidence that indicates racism played a factor, to me, is that nothing happened after video evidence was given to the authorities.

Social media brought this fact to light to force the justice system to take action some way too long a time later.

Note that all three independent sentences are not relevant and/or actually evidence of racism.

But when you live your entire life seeing the same thing, over and over, in similar fashion, you can't help but get a sense that, yeah, race absolutely played a factor. Pattern recognition is a thing, you know. Ironically, pattern recognition is also why some people become racists. Negative stereotypes, personal experience without understanding a deeper level of context from the human interaction that led to the experience, etc.

I don't think it was a hate crime. But I do think hate in the heart contributed to the incident.

This whole debate between itshotinvegas and a handful of posters about racism/evidence is just weird to me. There are some valid points, but how can you not see that it's 3 white dudes in trucks who grabbed their guns and "just wanted to talk" to Arbery? wat? You really think everything plays out the same if it's a white guy? Have you seen the white people breathing on cops in protest of the lockdown while black people have been kicked out of stores for wearing masks? This is pure inanity...

itshotinvegas is correct there isn't really evidence present to claim there was racial animus and I think most realize it's easy to just assume some racial animus is the case. The problem lies, and here's the pattern recognition again, in the fact that people vehemently argue for the objective fact that there's no evidence. It reveals how you think and without the context of hearing your voice or knowing you as a person, the indifferent tone of reading words on a screen seems almost as indifferent to another life lost...

somigosaden came into the thread WITH CAPS directly questioning the black guy. With LOGIC and self assured conviction. I learned my lesson when I thought Trayvon was screaming for help. My posts are in the thread for anyone to see. I want to be open that people who jump to the defense of the white guys are always going to make me watch and listen closely, because even though it doesn't truly mean anything anecdotally, after enough posts it can become clear the content of your character, or at least that I should be wary of it.

But I'm also done jumping to the defense of the black guy too. I cannot keep jumping to conclusions. There are a lot of racist *******s saying right away, sarcastically, oh yeah I'm sure he was jogging naturally in cargo pants/Timbs/like 15 miles away from his house. And believe me, that instant cynicism does make my hair raise. It reminds me that people truly want to do me harm if I'm not careful where I am or how i act. But unfortunately, just because you're racist doesn't mean you're wrong. Police activity is the same way. It is wrong. It feels wrong. But the reality is we should strive to refrain from absolutes, polar, visceral reactions, and instead at least attempt to focus, calmly, on exactly what happened and why. We should also be introspective on how we arrived at any conclusion...Why do we jump to notice this thing first instead of that thing? Etc...

I'm just gonna be honest based on all I've seen so far. Arbery looks like he was just a shady dude and was looking around for **** to steal. It's not even all that relevant if he was jogging or wandering or whatever tf. Some people see a car with an unlocked door and think nothing of it. Others start thinking about what can be stolen or look to see. Others just do it without thinking. That's my instinct because I have experience running a business (a pizzeria) in North Philly. Some people come into my store and aren't even interested in buying anything. A small percentage of those people are definitely casing the place. If you truly observe every single person that walks into your store you learn a lot after tens of thousands of people going in and out, day after day, year after year. After enough negative experiences, it becomes hard to trust anyone. I definitely don't trust police. My own employees. My own family! But I'm intelligent enough to realize that the vast majority of people who came into my store are normal, good, honest folk. The brain just responds to negative experience 10x more than positive. So when some loud ignorant douchebag waltzes in and disrespects my 18 year old female employee, that's all I remember for the day instead of the last 9 customers who had a smile, shared a joke, or just let me kno they've been alright the past couple weeks and asked how I was doing.

Listen, I get it. If you've ever been robbed before (I have) or seen the barrel of a gun (I have) a feeling comes over you. If you're sick of *******s taking your **** that you worked hard for you feel a type of way. And cops can only do so much. Sometimes it feels like they do nothing.

So yeah I can see why George Zimmerman and the McMichaels would ignore the fact that police are on their way to handle it professionally, but nobody can ****ing tell me that Arbery and Trayvon being black didn't have anything to do with it. We have a laundry list of dead black males that should not be dead. I don't care how long any dude's rap sheet was. They should not be dead before the trial. We have celebs and high ranking members of esteemed institutions who get questioned all the time. Black college students. ****ing Oprah was disrespected overseas in a jewelry store. She coulda bought the whole store ffs.

The cops should have been called and let them handle it. People aren't stupid. Former LEOs aren't stupid. They know what they are doing. They know better. I have to seriously question your judgement and your merit for being allowed to own a gun if you choose to introduce one to an encounter that didn't need to happen and, even worse, have a desire to make the encounter happen, knowing someone can die. Just on sheer understanding of psychology alone, LEOs and general civilians are always going to react to black different than white. Does anybody remember Sterling Brown? That should've been a parking ticket and nothing else and it ended with what, ten cop cars and him getting tazed? Again, pure inanity...

These incidents need to be taken more seriously by the justice system or there will be violence. Every time a story plays out that Michael Brown's body lays out in the street for hours, or LEO gets off lightly for a needless death...They can all be independent stories where, objectively, the cops weren't racist. Or circumstance led to inaction. Or there simply is no evidence. But the pattern screams a story and I think even in the face of being incorrect about assessing the specific incident, it should be understood that the outrage is toward the story not just the incident. I know that's a slippery slope/flaw in reasoning, but that's human nature. I just think we should be harping on the inaction or law enforcement more than the actual, discernible evidence that could point to and prove 3 white dudes in Georgia just hate black people. Focus less on the individual actors and more on how we got to that point. It's weird how racism has improved over time but social media has amplified its ugliness so much that it affects our minds. There's still a huge gap from where we are and where we could, maybe should be

The policy of government shapes the behavior of the people...

While I'm sort of relieved we didn't change forum software, I do still wish we'd gotten a like button so I could your post

This is, of course, gross hyperbole, the same sort of hyperbole that sends you flying off the handle on the regular. But no, you have nothing to show that I couldn't update my estimation of these guys. I merely think that the fact that he walked around a construction site is not the sort of thing that means that these guys aren't racist. My opinion this whole time, in fact, has been that they wanted to be "heroes," AND that they're racist. There hasn't been a shred of evidence that would contradict that, and the evidence in favor, that they ran down and murdered a black guy based on nothing, and then they also got an assist from the racist local cops to not even get arrested for it for weeks, is really strong!

Even had Arbery just then stolen something from the McMichaels, chasing him down and shooting him would be murder. Chasing after him in the car means there was forethought, not a moment of rage.

Anyone who was spent time in coastal Georgia knows that this would never have happened if Arbery were white. The evidence for the claim of racism is two things a. it's south georgia and a black guy got shot and b. the shooter was white with some connection to law enforcement. Elementary Bayesian reasoning yields racism as a factor in the shooting.

Construction video appears to confirm he was not wearing timberlands.

This is beating a dead horse a little, so I won't go on too long, but I think you underestimate how much influence the media has in framing the story and putting in your mind a pattern that isn't there. You are right, it is human nature to see patterns that aren't there and believe stories that elicit strong emotional reactions even when facts don't support them; and if nothing else the people shaping the story are very good at manipulating the emotions of their intended audience, for their own ends.

lol, a cop explaining when it's okay to kill black people is probably not the mic drop you think it is.

Thanks for your whitespanation.

If nothing else you are certainly dedicated to the cause of the elites stealing all resources from the poor, and using race as a wedge to divide and conquer.