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11-13-2023 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
i can't believe victor is the only one who also sees it this way
plenty of people do.
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11-13-2023 , 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by caseIIclosed
Yeah, the difference between the parties has not been this clear in a long time. Nothing Trump is offering sounds good at all.
And the electorate as a whole seems to agree as % turnout of total population was highest ever in a midterm and genera respectively no 2018 and 2020.
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11-13-2023 , 01:45 PM
The high turnout was mostly abortion
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11-13-2023 , 02:10 PM
Both of those elections were before roe was overturned.
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11-13-2023 , 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte
Both of those elections were before roe was overturned.
It was still anticipated. It was mostly about the court appointments

Dems did an excellent job galvanizing their base on the issue
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11-13-2023 , 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
It was still anticipated. It was mostly about the court appointments

Dems did an excellent job galvanizing their base on the issue
This was statewide not on a national level.

It will be an interesting year coming up
  • Trump may have a conviction and a appeal
  • Joe Burden ......
  • RFK doing well in the polls
  • Jill Stein and West are gonna take votes
  • GOP will gain Manchin's seat in Congress
  • Will there be a No Labels ticket
  • Russia gonna spend huge to get Trump elected
  • China gonna spend huge to get Joe Burden elected
  • Roll of AI in this election?
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11-13-2023 , 03:33 PM
That seems really dubious. In 2018 Dems had highest
margin of victory in house popular vote ever. They lost senate seats. The Wikipedia article on the 2018 midterms mentions the efforts to overturn Obamacare and Trumps behavior as major factors in the blue wave but not abortion. That matches what I remember.
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11-13-2023 , 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
This was statewide not on a national level.

It will be an interesting year coming up
  • Trump may have a conviction and a appeal
  • Joe Burden ......
  • RFK doing well in the polls
  • Jill Stein and West are gonna take votes
  • GOP will gain Manchin's seat in Congress
  • Will there be a No Labels ticket
  • Russia gonna spend huge to get Trump elected
  • China gonna spend huge to get Joe Burden elected
  • Roll of AI in this election?
rfk is not going to do anything in actual voting at least not to dems chances.. and thinking that china prefers biden over trump is just stupidity.
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11-13-2023 , 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
rfk is not going to do anything in actual voting at least not to dems chances.. and thinking that china prefers biden over trump is just stupidity.
You are correct I do think RFK actually may steal votes from the right. I think China prefers Joe Burden over Trump . They have Joe's son bought already
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11-13-2023 , 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
You are correct I do think RFK actually may steal votes from the right. I think China prefers Joe Burden over Trump . They have Joe's son bought already
i mean the hunter stuff is stupid. but even if it were true, and it's very obviously not, China ACTUALLY DID buy trump with something like 100 trademarks and business licenses fast tracked and granted to him during his presidency.


there isn't a single country that "fears" a trump presidency other than our allies. trump at his best is an isolationist, he would absolutely let Putin annex Ukraine and XI annex Taiwan. why would china ever prefer biden. lol

the "china prefers Joe" stuff is just some BoTh SiDeS coping that isnt tenable.

Last edited by Slighted; 11-13-2023 at 04:36 PM.
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11-13-2023 , 04:53 PM
The only presidents China ever took seriously were Eisenhower, H W Bush, & Clinton - all others they have been entirely indifferent to because our policy has not changed from Nixon through Obama and Biden has continued what Trump did so it's clear to them that whomever is president, the trade war will continue

Eisenhower - former general despite that he benched MacArthur for advocating nuking China, for all China knew he was still considering it and they built nuclear fallout shelters throughout the country because they were convinced the USA was going to nuke them

here's the interior of one fresh with propaganda art of the era




the homeless in Beijing all live in an underground bunker city much like the tunnels of vegas

https://www.wired.com/2017/04/antoni...-atomic-rooms/

i was once hiking on a mountain in shandong province to collect weed (it grows there everywhere naturally and nobody knows what it is) and we came across this massive steel and concrete vault door - thing must have been like 4' thick and luckily we had a flashlight in the event we stayed up too long by accident so we went in and did a little bit of exploring - place was insane

H W Bush former ambassador to China, UN, and head of the CIA - someone who knew how to get things done and had a history with china

Clinton they were always really impressed by his intellect and took him very seriously as from their perspective he had the balls to order an airstrike on their embassy and just say "whoopsies we had an old map" and dare them to retaliate - conspiracy is that china had taken the wreckage of the only stealth bomber ever shot down to their embassy and we hit it to destroy it - which seems a bit more plausible than intentionally targeting a building in the embassy district and not double checking to see if it's an embassy or not

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...sy_in_Belgrade

however, this was the only bombing mission conducted by nato that the CIA had requested in the entire campaign
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Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Director George Tenet testified before a congressional committee that the bombing was the only one in the campaign organized and directed by his agency,[6] and that the CIA had identified the wrong coordinates for a Yugoslav military target on the same street
so basically as far as chinese are concerned there's no chance this was an accident - i'd still regularly get grief from chinese people who are angry we bombed their embassy on purpose




everyone else they basically dismissed as either too stupid to be a concern or too focused on other issues to matter to china

mao openly regarded nixon and kissinger as complete idiots because they were just giving everything and asking nothing in return because they believed that simply opening china up would lead to their government toppling and whomever rose from the ashes would go back to being an ally of the usa and trade partner once again

which is kind of funny because to this day nixon and kissinger are still widely lauded for "opening up china" whereas China was going to open up to the USA no matter what because their relationship with USSR had soured so much because USSR wanted them as a puppet state like mongolia & poland and they didn't - china had kicked out tens of thousands of russian advisors and they were fighting a hot border conflict where several dozen soldiers died on each side

mao even built a range of artificial hills in the land between mongolian border and beijing because he was worried the ruskies would tank rush to beijing and install a more maleable puppet - he was going to the US no matter what and he couldn't believe he found the USA courting them instead of playing hard to get as they should have


another reason why china doesn't take our presidents seriously because they don't think many of them are very smart

their party structure ensures that basically all the decision makers are really intelligent people, many are genuine genius level intellects - they nearly all have degrees in engineering or sciences and need to take a certain career path that ensures competency

like xi is considered a creature of the party because his dad was such a big deal - they ignore the fact that when xi was a teenager he was exiled to the countryside because his dad was purged from the party - guy was living in abject poverty in a little village and applied to join the party several times before they finally admitted him in and then worked his way up from the lowest positions & got a chemical engineering degree from the most prestigious university in all of china along the way

so yes he definitely had some help in that as his dad's gravitas definitely helped him get a second look whereas others wouldn't - but this is also how his dad's political career ended - but he still did the rest on his own - if his dad was a guarantee of success then how do you explain the thousands of other Xis out there who all have parents of similar or more prestigious backgrounds who aren't president?

can you guess which one is him?



meanwhile, this is mao's grandson

he's given a ceremonial role with zero authority or power


tldr - china absolutely does not care who wins the next election
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11-13-2023 , 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
the "china prefers Joe" stuff is just some BoTh SiDeS coping that isnt tenable.
Yeah. The scandal was that the Trump campaign actively courted outside help as the Trump administration did with Ukraine.
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11-15-2023 , 11:05 AM
https://www.slowboring.com/p/antisemitism-in-america

"controlling for ideology, Black and Hispanic Americans are more antisemitic than white ones. But it also finds that controlling for race, conservatives are much more antisemitic than liberals."

According to Yglesias, studies indicate that it is actually non whites who are most antisemitic as a matter of principle (even more than progressives); which it appears given how salient media/social media has made this conflict could actually hurt Biden; as these people end to vote Democrat due to racial identity politics, even if they aren't very liberal.

My saying nothing about Israel/Palestine one way or another, looks like Trump could pick up a lot of support from non white racists, and even if this doesn't happen at the least this could cause less non-white racists to even bother voting. Which is actually what tends to be a major reason why Democrats lose elections when they do.
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11-15-2023 , 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Dunyain
According to Yglesias, studies indicate that it is actually non whites who are most antisemitic as a matter of principle (even more than progressives); which it appears given how salient media/social media has made this conflict could actually hurt Biden; as these people end to vote Democrat due to racial identity politics, even if they aren't very liberal.
The bolded implies that Iglesias was suggesting that antisemitism was fairly prevalent among progressives. That's your argument, not his. What Iglesias actually said in the article you linked was:

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The upshot of the first paper is that “contrary to the expectation of horseshoe theory, the data show the epicenter of antisemitic attitudes is young adults on the far right.”

When I posted this on Twitter, a lot of people simply refused to believe it because they are aware that anti-Israel attitudes are concentrated on the left and they just know that means there is a ton of left-wing antisemitism.
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11-15-2023 , 01:51 PM
Nobody should ever care what Matty "One Billion Americans" Iglesias has to say about anything. Ever.

One billion Americans is the worst idea in the history of ideas. Holy ****. And this cretin wrote an entire book about it! It would end the ****ing planet.

Although fwiw, anecdotally, I've met numerous Black people who are overtly anti-Semitic. Had to push back on one telling me about how all Jews conspire together to dominate the world. He said it in that kind of matter-of-fact manner. Goddamn, bro.

like 4 different Black males between 30-60 that I play chess with have said stuff like this in separate conversations
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11-15-2023 , 04:25 PM
one billion americans would be dope. best country on the planet with more people enjoying freedom and prosperity. super cool. free movement of people is a sweet idea.
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11-15-2023 , 04:57 PM
1 billions American with 1.5-2billions guns running around freely will be great Indeed !
And 3-4 billions books ban …..
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11-16-2023 , 11:17 AM
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1 billions American with 1.5-2billions guns running around freely will be great Indeed !
And 3-4 billions books ban …..
3-4 billion books banned i bet you cant list 10 of em aghh heck i call bs list them please
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11-16-2023 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by lozen
3-4 billion books banned i bet you cant list 10 of em aghh heck i call bs list them please
He obviously was making a joke.
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11-16-2023 , 11:30 AM
AIPAC is gearing up to spend 100 million dollars this cycle, a lot of that will target incumbent progressive democrats in safe dem districts. it will be interesting to see if Jeffries and the DNC keep to their vow of supporting incumbents over challengers, and if they do spend money to support, how that will affect things down the lines in more competitive districts that they may lose to republicans.

the progressive caucus apparently went to Jeffries this week to see what he planned to do.
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11-16-2023 , 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
He obviously was making a joke.
Your the one to say that if I had posted that you would have called me out and had me list the books and if I couldn’t demand I apologize and do better
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11-16-2023 , 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
Your the one to say that if I had posted that you would have called me out and had me list the books and if I couldn’t demand I apologize and do better
I've never said any such thing to you. That is a complete figment of your imagination.
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11-16-2023 , 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
3-4 billion books banned i bet you cant list 10 of em aghh heck i call bs list them please
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11-16-2023 , 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
He obviously was making a joke.
This forum thx u to be a moderator .
Probably this is why lozen falls pray easily to misinformation ….
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11-16-2023 , 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
Your the one to say that if I had posted that you would have called me out and had me list the books and if I couldn’t demand I apologize and do better
if fairness mr Lozen you say a lot of things that are easily proven to be false

Ive gotten you like 3 times already
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