I watched some of the DNC speeches, something I've never done before. I have to say, there were some damn good speeches. Both Obamas killed it. Clinton was good but, damn, he looks old now. The tone was really upbeat and positive, no fear mongering.

I kind of wished (well, maybe not?) I had watched the RNC as well, just to compare.

ok well then I would like to see Kamala use her influence to work towards ending this conflict (and the one in Ukraine for that matter) or at least indicate that she intends to. instead, well we all see what is going on at the DNC right now and its one of the most digusting displays of warmonger that I have ever seen.

anyway, this is the election thread and thats what it would take to get my vote.

She has.

I don't think you've watched anything from the DNC if you think that.

Sounds like you'll be voting for Kamala then.

not with an insane platform like this

I have no idea what possible problem you could have with that. I would ask you to clarify, but we've been asked to no longer discuss this topic here, so I will not. It's time for me to just move on and consider you a lost cause.

You're just now figuring that out?

No.


There is a current thread already to hash out this topic

I don't recall interacting with this particular user before, so I'm not really sure.

liberals are against all war, except the current one(s). it really never fails.

Republicans control the congress. The money wouldn’t be sent without their approval. And if anything, they want an even more brutal war. The people calling for a ceasefire are the Democrats, not Republicans.

Also this is a rather weird take on the whole situation. Hamas committed a violent terrorist attack, Israel responded. Do I support everything they have done? No. Do I think Netanyahu wants to prolong the war? Plausible. But at the end of the day Hamas can stop this war by surrendering and giving back the hostages. Then once Hamas is out of power we can put pressure on Israel to agree to a two state solution.

I point out the hypocrisy of liberals and democrats. they would much prefer to

Uh yeah war is bad and it is awful but that’s not the same thing as never seeing a need to go to war. Why would anyone ever say that they would never support going to war ever?

it also wouldnt be sent without the Democrats. I dont care what the Repubs do.

the rest of your post belongs in the other thread.

Because religion is like that, irrational, completely indefensible claims with logic.

Republicans control the house but yes as I wrote, house speaker approval was necessary

I really don't care to engage with you, but I will say geo-politics are a lot more complicated than your myopic take.

Just think of Victor as an 8 year old child and it helps to make reading his posts tolerable.

I often think that I spend too much time posting on 2+2.

Then I click on "Find posts by Luciom", I note that he has made 170 posts in the last 48 hours (all in the Politics forum), and I realize that others have a much bigger problem than I do.

Wow. Liberals are war mongers because neither of the two people running for president has stopped a war between two other countries yet (but only the liberal one must be the war monger).

Solid job dude.

its complicated. nothing can be done. just gotta keep sending weapons and soldiers all over the world and doing genocide every few decades. Iraq and Afghanistan killed like 4m. whats a couple more mill in Gaza and Ukraine? vote blue no matter who and dont interrupt my brunch with all the bloody children or elderly slave soldiers in Ukraine.

Victor,

Who would you say has more responsibility for the war in Ukraine, Russia or the U.S.?

You can't be more wrong.

As a Jewish Liberal I was for World War II, a war my father fought in.

I have no opinion on the Korean War. If the South Koreans wanted us to help them against the North Koreans then I have no problem with that. I just don't have any idea what the war was about.

The Vietnam War was stupid and ultimately racist (our men were trained to call them Gooks). So I wasn't for that war but I would have fought in it if my draft card came in 1973 and not 1974. I wasn't going to pretend I had bone spurs.

Many of the subsequent US wars have been political and stupid. In Afghanistan then Iraq under George W Bush. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis killed and over a Trillion dollars spent, similarly in Afghanistan where we lost over 3,000 US lives basically a similar amount that died in the World Trade Center terrorist attack. George HW Bush's war I forget where it was to stop rapists and protect US Allies was probably necessary. The war in Serbia was necessary to have UN intervention during Clinton's term, because it wasn't started by us.

When I look at what is going on with Israel I think it is very unfortunate. Netanyahu's approach because he is so politically unpopular is to escalate when Hamas attacks. This means that far more Palestinians will die than Israelis. So when Hamas killed thousands of Israelis recently I wouldn't have supported what Netanyahu did. I would have supported an attack that killed Hamas leaders and if they were hiding among Palestinian civilians, as Hamas does, so be it. But Hamas also took hostages so it is unclear how the rest of it would have gone.

In general I think Israel should have allowed Palestine to be a country. Even though the terrorist organizations might have had power within the government. Just be on alert at all times and if there is a military attack or terrorist attack defend well, retaliate in a similar way without escalating. Kind of like how Reagan handled it when the US lost 239 troops in Lebanon.

Do I think military aid to Israel should stop? Yes. Until they get rid of Netanyahu and agree to a Palestinian State.

The Russian war on Ukraine of course I support Ukraine and its not because I am 25% Ukrainian. Russia is trying to start up a USSR thing again and Putin should be stopped if possible. Ironically if the Republicans in the house had prevented aid to Ukraine if I were President I would have sent US troops to end it, take back the Russia occupied land (not Crimea though which has Nuclear weapons) and then negotiate a truce with Putin. I have no idea what Putin would do next if he had actually conquered Ukraine.

I'd say a lot of the steps are fairly obvious, even if the order is unclear:

- Gain stronger control over the Black Sea
- Start a similar campaign in the Baltics as was done in Ukraine in 2014 and create a false pretense to invade.
- use Transnistra as a false pretence to complete the invasion and occupation of Moldova
- Absorb / annex Belarus through political movies and the guise of protecting the country from extremists
- Heat up the conflict in the Balkans, train and sponsor extremist groups, move more openly in support of nationalist Serbs.
- Bribe Georgian officials to request security assistance, complete the invasion and occupy the remaining part of the country.
- Continued the war efforts in Syria and Libya, try to stabilize their efforts into a secure staging ground for operations in Africa
- Continued use of Wagner and similar groups to conduct operations like the ones we have seen Mali
- Continued assault on elections in western states and other democracies
- Continued use of hybrid warfare to attack and sabotage infrastructure in western countries and other democracies

vic if i was screaming the names of dead palestinian children would you ask me to stop screaming in your ear and/or seek protection by covering them or would you just say "no i love dead palestinians so scream it into my ear 24/7 please"

Georgia & moldova would be next in line yes, not necessarily immediatly but in the 3-5 years range.