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07-18-2024 , 03:32 PM
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think Iran, not Russia
Iran doesn’t have the capabilities. The US, the UK, the French , the Russians and the Israelis can.
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07-18-2024 , 04:07 PM
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the funding thing is so silly imo. newsom starting with $0 tonight would have $100m by the end of the week and $300m by the end of next
the amount individuals can raise is capped

the amount you can give to the party/PACs is capped at a much bigger number but those have already raised plenty

hence why of the 240 million in the biden/harris war chest, only 90 million belongs to them - the rest belongs to parties/PACs

that 150 million from major donors is likely mostly tapped and they can't donate again this election cycle - there are obviously some who haven't contributed and in theory an unlimited amount of people left who can donate $10 but the majority of the major donors for PAC/party stuff have already been tapped out

it would be possible, but a massive uphill climb to get even close to 90 million - not to mention that in order to raise 90 million, they'd probably need to spend 20 million on ads - so it's more like raising 115 million+ just to reach 90 million in the bank

not to mention the costs of starting fresh - hiring people last minute, etc etc - everything will come at a premium because you're likely coaxing people away from good and high paying jobs and you'll need to make it rain to convince them to leave the safety of their current situation for what will likely be a 4 month exercise in failure

that 90 million is a huge amount - also need to factor in that biden will need to refund it if he drops out and kamala doesn't take the reigns, which itself would be a gargantuan task to both determine which prorated amount each donor should receive and then issuing it - also has tax implications for everyone involved because a lot of that money was raised last year and used as a writeoff

115+ million is very hard to raise 5k max a pop and majority of donations are going to be $5 or $10

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07-18-2024 , 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by biggerboat
I still think Hakeem Jeffries would be a great choice. jmho
have never heard him speak. seems like he sucks


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Originally Posted by housenuts
Give us The Rock.
the rock is a republican


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I am little surprised that Wes Moore isn't getting more oxygen.
never heard of him


might be too big a challenge to run someone with little name recognition this close to the election (though there could be benefits to going with a ~blank slate). it's probably going to be kamala + some white man as veep. saw walz or whatever from minnesota and the gov from north carolina thrown out as possibilities. can't be gavin because he and kh are both from california, plus he doesn't want to be veep anyway.
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07-18-2024 , 04:16 PM
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the rock is a republican
In the same way the assassin is a republican?

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However, Johnson, who has described himself as a “centrist” and “political independent” and publicly endorsed US president Joe Biden’s 2020 campaign.
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07-18-2024 , 04:17 PM
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In the same way the assassin is a republican?
yes, exactly


Apr 6, 2024 · The wrestler-turned-actor and entrepreneur turned his back on President Biden and attacked “woke culture” in a Fox News interview.
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07-18-2024 , 04:26 PM
If Biden steps down and Harris is the nominee, who do we think would realistically be the VP pick for her? I don't recall seeing this answered anywhere yet.
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07-18-2024 , 04:26 PM
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yes, exactly


Apr 6, 2024 · The wrestler-turned-actor and entrepreneur turned his back on President Biden and attacked “woke culture” in a Fox News interview.
yes, so exactly like the assassin.
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07-18-2024 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ganstaman
If Biden steps down and Harris is the nominee, who do we think would realistically be the VP pick for her? I don't recall seeing this answered anywhere yet.
small market. not that much to read into, but

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07-18-2024 , 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ganstaman
If Biden steps down and Harris is the nominee, who do we think would realistically be the VP pick for her? I don't recall seeing this answered anywhere yet.
I am 99% certain that the decision would be tactical, which is why you see names from purple or light red states being mentioned, but as between Shapiro, Beshear, Cooper, Whitmer, etc., I couldn't say.
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07-18-2024 , 04:50 PM
Pete B
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07-18-2024 , 05:00 PM
Ok, here's a hypothetical - let's say we had a media that actually did its job, and correctly worked out that Biden's faculties weren't there and haven't been there for years as has been obvious to anyone who is paying attention since forever, and there is enough pressure that he opts to, or is forced not to, seek a second term. What would the ticket for the Dems be now, and would it still be a 2-1 dog against DJT?
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07-18-2024 , 05:09 PM
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Pete B
It won't be him imo.
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07-18-2024 , 05:23 PM
Enjoy hell, Lou Dobbs
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07-18-2024 , 05:35 PM
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Ok, here's a hypothetical - let's say we had a media that actually did its job, and correctly worked out that Biden's faculties weren't there and haven't been there for years as has been obvious to anyone who is paying attention since forever, and there is enough pressure that he opts to, or is forced not to, seek a second term. What would the ticket for the Dems be now, and would it still be a 2-1 dog against DJT?
they'd need to go back at least 3 years, start grooming and promoting the chosen successor - getting him part of the conversation on most national issues and be regularly seen with biden showing he has a lot of influence etc etc

i think then they'd be a favorite

trump has a pretty good base

but beyond that he's a trash candidate

the right guy could easily embarass him in a debate and poke holes in all his lies and malfeasance

it's amazing that joe stood there in a debate, watched a guy who tried to illegally seize power claim he didn't do anything wrong and lie left and right and just ignore it and say "i created jobs for blacks"

trump only appears strong in debates because he's never once faced off against anyone who both think on their feet and react to him & have the cohones to actually drop the prepared talking points and do so

trump has no talking points - he just goes in there and rawdawgs - he's not good at it at all - but when everyone else is scared to say anything that hasn't been run by focus groups beforehand then they never react and call him out on anything and as a result he becomes the table captain and appears dominant and in charge

just get one guy capable of thinking on his feet and not afraid to do so and the clown that trump is would soon be apparent to many of his less devoted supporters
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07-18-2024 , 05:43 PM
Wonder if Biden backs out if Trump will do a debate vs the new nominee.
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07-18-2024 , 05:46 PM
Can you imagine Trump debating Denzel, lol. Denzel would rip him a new *******.
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07-18-2024 , 05:54 PM
Have any Progressive in Congress/Senate come out against Biden? So far it's been your typical centrist-neoliberal/old guard
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07-18-2024 , 06:54 PM
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Pete B
Peter B, that guy who played Ralphie in a Christmas Story? That's not a bad choice - Midwesterner white Christian guy who loves Santa.
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07-18-2024 , 06:59 PM
boden staying in the race shares are nuking on prediction markets.
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07-18-2024 , 07:21 PM
HILL DAWG 2.1% EQUITY

LFG. TRUMP CLINTON 2
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07-18-2024 , 07:35 PM
I miss the days of RFK at 17%. Those bets dont come along very often
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07-18-2024 , 07:47 PM
biden currently slightly more likely to win the election than gretchen witmer, and slighly less likely to win it than michelle obama

betfair
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07-18-2024 , 08:16 PM
down to 5 cents

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07-18-2024 , 08:26 PM
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07-18-2024 , 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
they'd need to go back at least 3 years, start grooming and promoting the chosen successor - getting him part of the conversation on most national issues and be regularly seen with biden showing he has a lot of influence etc etc

i think then they'd be a favorite

trump has a pretty good base

but beyond that he's a trash candidate

the right guy could easily embarass him in a debate and poke holes in all his lies and malfeasance

it's amazing that joe stood there in a debate, watched a guy who tried to illegally seize power claim he didn't do anything wrong and lie left and right and just ignore it and say "i created jobs for blacks"

trump only appears strong in debates because he's never once faced off against anyone who both think on their feet and react to him & have the cohones to actually drop the prepared talking points and do so

trump has no talking points - he just goes in there and rawdawgs - he's not good at it at all - but when everyone else is scared to say anything that hasn't been run by focus groups beforehand then they never react and call him out on anything and as a result he becomes the table captain and appears dominant and in charge

just get one guy capable of thinking on his feet and not afraid to do so and the clown that trump is would soon be apparent to many of his less devoted supporters
strongly agree with all this except the first part, where i don't think 3 years grooming is necessary. think they just need a candidate who speaks with the appearnace of honesty, conviction, and some tangible proposal to change status quo

a new face that's unfamiliar to voting public could even help capture independents/swings who are looking for non-establishment candidates with some non-zero chance of delivering on a hope/change narrative. the base is already voting D regardless purely out of "anyone but trump" fear

but we seem destined to be stuck with harris, who the daily show adeptly noted is a spitting image of selina meyer:

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i would like to think kamala, like selina, possesses a realer, more fiery persona in private when she's not trying to walk the focus group tightrope. her best chance would be unleashing that persona in public appearances and debates with trump to give the public something to cling on to. not that this will ever, ever happen
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