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07-06-2024 , 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by DonkJr
It is incredible how people that think they are smarter than everybody around them refuse to understand ordinary words in ordinary context. "Fascism? Why, that means whatever I want it to mean! You see, Hitler was bad and Trump is bad, therefore they are both Fascist! Don't tell me I cannot redefine words whenever I find it convenient, unless you are also a Fascist!"
Buddy, if you're going to just repeat what I say like a toddler, at least try to spice it up a little.
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07-06-2024 , 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Buddy, if you're going to just repeat what I say like a toddler, at least try to spice it up a little.
At least you recognize the dullness of your original post. That is a good first step toward perhaps making an interesting post or two one day.
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07-06-2024 , 06:03 PM
Can someone explain how the MAGA movement isn't fascist? Trump worked with many literal terrorists and nazis to try to overthrow US democracy on January 6 2021. They planned and coordinated for months with nazis to kill Mike Pence and keep MAGA in power. Currently, Trump refers to these nazis and terrorists as political prisoners and hostages.
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07-06-2024 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by DonkJr
If you are all so entrenched on the whole "there is only one political party" nonsense, then I am not really sure why you care enough to post in the 2024 election thread. Both parties are the same, right? Therefore there is no difference regarding the outcome in November. Maybe you just like the attention.
I don't really post in this thread.
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07-06-2024 , 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by DonkJr
Like how you highlight the first two sentences and completely ignore the next two sentences, which are an essential and defining part of Fascism. Didn't expect anything less from you.


How do the last two sentences not apply?

He thinks the world's highest incarceration rate is not high enough. 1,400 (in canada it's 24) people a year are killed by cops, he thinks it's good, or if anything too low.

He wants to round up and deport 15 million people. You cannot do this without making this even more of a police state. Pretty much impossible to have due process.

He wants to execute drug dealers.

He wants to use US military as death squads and send them to Mexico to kill narcos.

pw is right that the US already has a lot of fascist traits. It's not like we have a 10% higher incarceration rate than similar countries. It's 4x. It's not like the police kill at double the rate. It's like 8x.

I mean, if the police find a lot of cash on you they can just steal it and you have to hire a lawyer to prove you aren't a criminal. Every gambler I know is scared of the police and we have discussions about how to avoid them stealing your $.

The corporatist economy thing is not a 10/10 on Trump, but maybe a 4. As mentioned, he wanted to ban tok tok and when companies go against him, "make them pay."

Ultimately I don’t think it's a fruitful discussion and you might be right that it's a bad rhetorical strat. But it is def more is a hot dog a sandwich and less is orange juice a sandwich.

Can you explain why the coup attempt doesn’t matter?
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07-06-2024 , 07:22 PM
if the coup was successful then the one party rule would be undeniably met.

So we can agree that Trump was attempting to do some things that would make the govt fascist.
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07-06-2024 , 07:45 PM
Trump winning this election because Biden's brain is shutting down in front of the nation's eyes is just peak 2020s America.

If this were a TV series, people would call it lazy writing.

"This would never happen. The Dems would just have the man with the broken brain stand aside for one of any 5,000,000 other people who could beat Trump."
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07-06-2024 , 08:58 PM
so dems are going to vote for trump now because they are surprised joe is old?

is that what we are running with for clicks today?
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07-06-2024 , 09:05 PM
Seem people actually forgot it’s trump trying to be elected president .
Biden is currently running the country and I still wait for the ceiling to fall.
I still wait for the economy to fall.
I still wait for WW3 to start .

Nothing happening .
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07-06-2024 , 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
We have legalized slavery in America. Cops can kill Americans without repercussions. Billionaires payless in taxes than the average person.

I could continue but there’s no reason. Those three things are enough to prove a fascist society.
There is slavery in America today?

It isn’t just cops that can kill people without repercussions in America. Anyone can kill without repercussions if they have a good enough reason. Which is a great thing, because not being able to defend oneself would not be a fun place to be.

Having wealth isn’t a taxable event... that is true in a whole lot of other countries too. However, I would still argue even a billionaire with zero income on average pays way more in taxes than the average person (property taxes, sales tax, etc.)

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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
3. Is the economy heavily controlled by the govt for the purpose of national unity? Yes this is why we bailout company’s and the stock market and make it illegal for the small guy to win. See GameStop for example
Dems are fighting for more regulation and repubs are fighting for less regulation so is your point that both want some control over the economy but dems want more control?

Also, it is widely accepted that dems want a bigger budget and repubs typically want a smaller one which equals less control. Some repubs are fighting to give up some give control in the education sector by trying to pass school choice which also equals less govt economic control. Dems want govt controlled universal healthcare which equals more economic control. Dems want to pick and choose what type of energy people use which equals more economic control. The list goes on.
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07-06-2024 , 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
noam chomsky, one of the smartest humans in the world.

https://chomsky.info/20081010/

"In the US, there is basically one party - the business party. It has two factions, called Democrats and Republicans, which are somewhat different but carry out variations on the same policies. By and large, I am opposed to those policies. As is most of the population."


I love america, prob more than you do. My family helped found the country, I lost a relative in the revolutionary war and I come from a long line of people who have served in the military.

In addition to that, I have a finance degree. What kind of degree do you have?
Lol again. Chomsky is a linguist who proposed nutty theories even in his field. The only reason assume ever cites him is because he's the only 'public intellectual' who says such out there things.
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07-06-2024 , 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
There is slavery in America today?

It isn’t just cops that can kill people without repercussions in America. Anyone can kill without repercussions if they have a good enough reason. Which is a great thing, because not being able to defend oneself would not be a fun place to be.

Having wealth isn’t a taxable event... that is true in a whole lot of other countries too. However, I would still argue even a billionaire with zero income on average pays way more in taxes than the average person (property taxes, sales tax, etc.)



Dems are fighting for more regulation and repubs are fighting for less regulation so is your point that both want some control over the economy but dems want more control?

Also, it is widely accepted that dems want a bigger budget and repubs typically want a smaller one which equals less control. Some repubs are fighting to give up some give control in the education sector by trying to pass school choice which also equals less govt economic control. Dems want govt controlled universal healthcare which equals more economic control. Dems want to pick and choose what type of energy people use which equals more economic control. The list goes on.
Before I address your post. You’re correct, having wealth isn’t a taxable event.

Why is that?
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07-06-2024 , 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Lol again. Chomsky is a linguist who proposed nutty theories even in his field. The only reason assume ever cites him is because he's the only 'public intellectual' who says such out there things.
He remains the most influential linguist of all time-- no one else has even come close-- he defined the entire field.
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07-06-2024 , 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by #Thinman
so dems are going to vote for trump now because they are surprised joe is old?

is that what we are running with for clicks today?
Probably not, but the 10% of the country that waffles back and forth is waffling in the Trump direction because Biden is going to dissolve from the inside out.
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07-06-2024 , 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
Also, it is widely accepted that dems want a bigger budget and repubs typically want a smaller one which equals less control.
Republicans definitely try to make people believe this but I haven't seen evidence that this is actually true based on the budgets they pass.
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07-06-2024 , 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by #Thinman
so dems are going to vote for trump now because they are surprised joe is old?

is that what we are running with for clicks today?
Biden won 2020 because of Covid. Why the dems have not realised this to have a replacement for 2024 is beyond me

And just to further emphasise this that Biden looks now to be close to as ghostly as one can get with his appearance, speech, mannerisms and movements and it was still evident back then in 2020 - it was very effective because at the time of the last election people were fearing for their lives from Covid so it was a good reminder to vote for him.
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07-06-2024 , 11:36 PM
Most interesting theory I've seen today
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07-06-2024 , 11:56 PM
And then he did the same exact Covid policies as Trump. Oh and before that he helped kill a bunch of election workers pre-vaccine bc he didn't want to give Bernie a chance at a longer primary.
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07-07-2024 , 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
He remains the most influential linguist of all time-- no one else has even come close-- he defined the entire field.
He's a joke. His main theory was a scientific claim, made by a non-scientist with no scientific evidence.
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07-07-2024 , 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Victor
And then he did the same exact Covid policies as Trump. Oh and before that he helped kill a bunch of election workers pre-vaccine bc he didn't want to give Bernie a chance at a longer primary.
Citation?
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07-07-2024 , 06:26 AM
Okay, so MAGA rejected the result of democracy when they lost.
Organized a coup with nazis for months, then violently attacked the capitol.
They failed at overthrowing the government, but several died and many injured.
MAGA maintains they won the election and democracy is wrong.
MAGA insists the coup participants are political prisoners who will be pardoned when they win again.
...but...
MAGA is not fascist because they failed at the coup.
Despite fighting against democracy tooth and nail with nazis and terrorists who are literally fascists.
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07-07-2024 , 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by ganstaman
Republicans definitely try to make people believe this but I haven't seen evidence that this is actually true based on the budgets they pass.
This was true at the national level before the 1980s. But as you say, it hasn't been true since.
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07-07-2024 , 10:19 AM
This whole Dems and Repubs are one party with two factions definitely resonates. On the broad ideological spectrum it’s basically just two means to the same end
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07-07-2024 , 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
He's a joke. His main theory was a scientific claim, made by a non-scientist with no scientific evidence.
Which one was that?
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07-07-2024 , 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by holmfries
This whole Dems and Repubs are one party with two factions definitely resonates. On the broad ideological spectrum it’s basically just two means to the same end
Rinos have long controlled the Repubs and were always in lockstep w/ Dems as far as the macro globalist agendas (central banking is at the heart of all this too). For example, Obama and Bush are basically friends now and the two were seemingly on either side of violently different political views. Yet Obama has turned the Dems into war mongers as the Rinos once were and still are. Liberal voters have been gaslit into loving war now!!!

Trump was simply a tea party type movement that blew up bigger than anyone could have imagined due to his teflon nature of becoming stronger the more he's attacked. Sanders was sort of his counterpart on the other side and as can be witnessed currently in Europe (Le Pen/Farage etc...), populists are what the people want. It's the only hope for tangible change. Sanders was sabotaged by his own party and never Trumper Rinos are trying to sabotage Trump.

Across the world and in the U.S. it's the establishment globalists vs populism.

However, even Trump is still somewhat of a slave to Israel and the Federal Reserve. He has to be. If you cross either you are pretty much guaranteed to be unalived.
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