I gave it a good 40 minute try, it never deviated from this pattern. Trump just spouting nonsense to lock in support for his base, probably for those who may still be on the fence after his myriad of new legal problems, and Biden mumbling the best he can remember from his talking points and on at least 2 occasions just ending a sentence prematurely because he lost his train of thought.

To be absolutely clear, trump was a disaster in this debate. Every word out of his mouth was either: 1. A lie 2. Rambling irrelevance 3. Ignoring what was asked to say what he wants to say

The bar to beat that with his record wasn’t very high. There’s no defense for keeping a candidate who got absolutely housed by that

This is accurate

But it helps Trump

After or at the convention it is plausible

Fair

I understand your point but Newsome isn't the clear choice here and I think it's accurate that trumps odds have also done well since this debate when factoring in his competition become weighted towards newsome.

I think Biden does better in the swing states compared to newsome and I think the real **** up for the dems was letting biden debate.

When you break down Wisconsin and Michigan, youve got a serious problem, and youve completely lost any hope of florida.

Newsom all over the post-games. It's plain as day what is happening. He would shred Trump in a dabate and it would be hi-larious, but Trump would smartly never do that with a 'fake' candidate. Newsom would certainly roast him constantly, though.

I personally just want a strong leader that isn't past retirement age. Is that too much to ask?

The other unknown for me is, what the heck would they do with Kamala Harris? Seems uncertain.

Well the defense is obvious. It's not clear at all how to pick another nominee at this stage.

Yep

When in argued months ago that it the dems let Joe debate they will lose in was I laughed at

They should have put in newsome a year ago

Who is they?

You think they can put in newsome and kick out Kamala?

The dnc

I preface all this by saying I live in california, I’m a registered dem, I voted for Newsom, voted against the recall and I absolutely despise Gavin Newsom

Having said all that. I think you’re really underestimating how little is required to beat trump. Biden v Trump was a solved game in nevada, probably Michigan considering the protests, and problematic in wisconsin, arizona and Georgia. Winnable, but would require a lot to go right

Tonight was the actual opposite of a lot going right. 4 months away from the election and before the DNC is probably the right time to shake people out of their apathy and disgust towards voting between one of 2 ancient clowns by putting in a known name of a 56 year old governor of a major liberal state when the only people who know he’s a charlatan piece of **** are the state of california, who will still vote for him, and his ex/DJT jr’s wife

More CNN post poll numbers

Why do you think they can do that? If Biden wants to run again and the DNC doesn't support him it's effectively conceding the election.

In a hypothetical situation where biden isn’t the candidate what I know with absolute certainty is it won’t be harris. She is absolutely reviled, has zero charisma, and you can’t sit there going against trump with Biden’s VP when people as it is don’t like biden

before the debate I was arguing with friends that Harris wouldn’t even be the running mate cuz biden desperately needed a progressive to bring back votes who have turned on him. Harris definitely wouldn’t be newsom’s running mate if it came to that but the bench is so short that if you’re starting from scratch there aren’t many options. Butegieg? **** maybe throw a Hail Mary and go AOC?

I've suggested this previously but no one addressed it to agree, disagree, or even laugh about it.

Replace Harris on the ticket with (Barack) Obama and the quiet understanding that he will be main decision maker.

Then if Biden dies or becomes completely incapacitated, Obama will take over the presidency. There is nothing in the constitution to prevent this from happening as far as I can tell. I have seen articles online debating this, but it looks to me that according to the exact constitutional wording, he could become VP (either by appointment or election) and then could become president in the same way other VPs have been.

I'm not convinced Biden really wants to run

Regardless the dnc leaked the michael Bloomberg sexual harassment crap as soon as they decided 4 years ago that they couldn't control him

So they have shown in the past that they have way more power than you give them credit for

RNC delegates are bound, DNC delegates are pledged. You are absolutely right, if biden wants to run and the DNC renegs on him it’s such a cluster**** that trump wins

I assume what would happen is DNC goes to biden and says step aside and support our decision and candidate cuz youre not getting the nomination. Biden can either abide by that or go gracefully or refuse it and the DNC is in tatters. Considering trump is now matching his fundraising I don’t see much reason for the dnc to be loyal to biden even before tonight

I'm pretty sure you are wrong and he isn't eligible

I have no idea. Like I said, seems messy to me. It's a culture war bonanza of bullshit to overcome. Shits gonna get weird.

Cnn has 12 undecided voters .. they were undecided before the debate

They mostly all now say they have decided to vote for Trump

Trump was -210 at this price

Line has now moved to trump -190, Newsom +650. Biden in between

Biden gives you the best shot....hopefully he wins. But none of these crazy options sound good when you're trying to be the sane party.