Here are my results in January, excluding fast poker, which is not displayed correctly, in fact I lost about $ 1500 and I had to play nl10, because in this mode and under such a load it is impossible to play thoughtfully. This is a question about bots or some hint programs. This is where all these programs work as much as possible - I played in any month in the negative, which seems to confirm that I am an ordinary reg, who is too lazy to jump on the tables in search of a fish and it is easier to wait for him to sit down. But here I see another argument in my defense - what was the point of me playing for two with such results, if I played steadily in the previous 3 months plus and won an average of $ 70-80 per day. And here it turned out not guaranteed, divided into two, additional HUGE risks that you will be banned for this? That's why I try to chew everything in detail, because from the outside it may seem that everything is simple , but in fact I-got involved in an adventure and hell that I have repeatedly regretted and lost everything I only pray that I will get justice and feedback from the network, especially since it all started with this forum [IMG][/IMG]

And it turns out even if there are two of us, then someone had to win their sessions, but in fact I always played in the negative, because the compositions were terrible (2 bots + onpooka + otb_batmanbatya+ 4thxyourchepas, which without the promotion NEVER played with me and bots)

Just want to clarify that the more you play, the easier the body reagiruet in the future and that these people began to play more - I know because they just know that it's doable that the body at some point, just dying to sleep, and then is the hour of agony in this state and you are fresh as a cucumber and did not want to sleep, I don't know how to explain this need to test, but I was surprised with its capabilities

What numbers are displayed in the last column on the right?

rake, but I don't know how true this parameter is

This is exhibit A of why poker sites shouldn't offer rake races, particularly to Eastern Europeans haha. Reminds me of people dying at their computers back in the day playing marathon World of Warcraft sessions.

Rather, you can die of disappointment that you are banned AT the end of the CAMPAIGN AND do not PAY ANYTHING, just as waste unnecessary material is removed from the network and say thank you for rake so far. And so 13 hours on average a day to play - it's quite simple, but the load is distributed unevenly. I will not get tired of repeating - I resent the consumer attitude of the network, the security service did not care that I spent a month of my life on these actions, which they themselves invented. they needed to show publicly that they care about the players and are ready to commit a crime against justice. In Russia, we are used to this, but not in countries where the right of people to a fair trial and objective investigations is very well developed. And I was promised to give the opportunity to protect themselves through the video stream, but then obviously they realized that it is much more profitable to show themselves on this forum as an example-good fighters against criminals to extinguish the negative wave, they do not want to touch bots, think about my words - these are obvious things in my opinion.

The main problem is that they're offering 200-500% rakeback for micro stakes grinders so of course there will be a select few that will kill themselves to try to win, and yes, they're taking years off their lives if they're in fact averaging 15+ hours/day for a whole month. Not sure about WoW but I know in Starcraft there were a handful of deaths from people playing marathon sessions.

At least with the rake races, the money was going to people actually generating rake and the top earners were getting a more realistic rakeback amount. If you're going to offer these promos that are just about grinding out hands, then you should offer separate prize pools that offer a fair rakeback amount to the winners. Instead of just a single 10k high hand, divide it into 3 tiers: 2k prize pool for .10/.25 and under, 3k for .25/.50 to 1/2, and 5k for 2/5+

Wow, thanks for sharing your story. I was able to come in 24th for the high hand leaderboard challenge. Trying to come in first sounds quite a lot of work. I've considered trying to do it once a month. That could be quite a lot of money. Just take 1 week of the month and really hammer in hours. Maybe not though. Sounds rough.

Something I've noticed is that the hotkeys are quite glitchy. Sometimes they work and sometimes they don't. When I go back into the settings after I close out the window, some of the old things that I"ve gotten rid of show up as if I hadn't changed anything.

he NL100 reg, of course earlier don't play with you

1. Yes, but here is my example on fact -1500 $ outcome of the game in this hard regime + 2000 $ week + 2000 $ two weeks = + 2500$, not paid 3750 $ least, my rake january 4406$. 2500 $ profit / 4406 $ rake = 56% RB = / . Well the best scenario, I am not banned unfairly(although this moment of lawlessness should be taken into account, anyone who challenges to win such prizes) and I still get my proffit 6250$/rake 4400 = 142% not bad, but once again I ask you to read my story and understand what you need to do for it
In fact, I had a lot more problems and I would have gladly given up the idea of participating in these promotions, even knowing that I was best positioned to avoid the network mocking me and wiping their feet and my account is still frozen and I need to make a lot of effort to achieve the truth and objectivity
2. You do not take into account that players with low limits pay much more rake relative to the potential profit and their stack, and it has long been clear that at high limits, the impact of promotions is not as important as for players with low limits

I also pay attention that as soon as there is a serious discussion of problems - and a person like me is ready to constructively and consistently refute any accusation from the network and is looking for this opportunity, and they understand perfectly well and I am absolutely sure that they really do not have any evidence of my violations and that no real verification probably - they disappear from the discussion and now I don't see any activity from Mike, but I saw his very fast activity at the time of freezing my account at the end of the promotion. This is expected, because publicly defending your wrongdoing among people who have a very fine sense of who is telling the truth and who is manipulating the facts is a difficult task, it is easier to ignore, which they always do if they contact the support service or make a phone call. Also, that contact them by phone is a great success, I understand they work only 4-5 hours a day at best, but I had complaints about - why I didn't answer my phone when they decided to dial and in fact this was the reason for the ban initially.
The only positive feature of this network is that no matter what problems, dishonest bans, delay in payments, they eventually fulfilled their obligations and restored justice, but to achieve it you need to go through hell and ignore

Yes, but for a poker site there is not much value in creating an atmosphere at .10/.25 where you have a half-dozen iron man grinders in addition to the normal bots. The games will be extremely difficult and probably play very slow. This harms the NLHE ecosystem b/c it's gonna be very difficult for any casual players to move up. And Chico doesn't even really get the benefit of the extra rake b/c the iron man grinders will only play the extra hours when they think they'll be getting most of their rake back.

So Chico has implemented a system where they're giving the majority of their promotional budget to a handful of micro grinders who will just immediately take the money off the site and immediately cut their volume as soon as they aren't getting an enormous rakeback %. The rest of the players (including high stakes players who are paying much more in rake) get nothing. At least with the old rake race structure it was creating lots of action in PLO at 1/2 to 5/10 and attracted a NLHE whale who exploded the popularity of 2/5 and 5/10 NLHE.

Promotions should either be spread mostly evenly among the casual players on your site to encourage them to play more and create a healthy ecosystem, or be a reward to the regulars who get games running and pay the most rake paid out at a reasonably rate, like 5-10% rakeback for most with maybe 25-35% rakeback for the top few grinders.

I'm not hating on you. If you put in the insane hours to try and earn these rewards fairly and by yourself, then respect for the grind. I'm just pointing out that the system makes zero sense and doesn't benefit Chico at all.

I agree when there were divisions with daily prizes and it was possible to fight every day for a good prize at any limit-this was the best time in my opinion and an honest distribution for everyone, and when there was a General race, you got a penny even if you played a lot. Because you don't hate players like me, you need to understand that in any case-all prizes would go to players of low limits, because this structure and always the right amount of play at low limits. I emphasize that such great efforts I have made to these actions - not fully understanding their capabilities, the level of competitors, as well as that I can be banned and deprived of everything - this is absolutely stupid actions of the network and ill-conceived policy, I would be glad that such actions as iron man was not in the future, because they really destroy life and it is difficult to refuse them, because it is too much of a temptation to refuse to participate and fight, knowing that you can claim the first place.
It is also impossible not to notice that the budget for promotions used to be larger and this is all due to the fact that the amount of prize money is being cut

great stuff guys, really helpful and constructive.
I just want you to know that we try and use all of this info when making decisions on improvements.

Kind Regards

Mike

I am glad that you have extracted useful information, but your response is as much as possible in the style of your support without any constructs. I want to clarify, on my question and all the information provided, what can I expect from you? given that with your light hand my hell started and everything was done in one day and the rhetorical was very specific from you in the situation that you will deal with me, I would like to get more information about what I should expect. I ask for a personal public specific response to my post. Thx. https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=269

Something I've noticed with the hotkeys. They work when I toggle the little buttons in the lower left corner of the screen, but otherwise only the default hotkeys work. I can hit "Cntr right" to bet, but I'd rather be able to just hit the space bar. After the hand is over it resets and I'd have to toggle the buttons again in order for the hotkeys to work. That is too much of a hassle to make anything good happen from it.

I figured out how to make my standard bet sizes 3x preflop and 1/2 pot post flop and it saves me loads of time. No longer do I have to move the slider every time. So useful. Being able to get the space bar to make my bets whenever I just hover over the window will be even better.

I'm against all these rake races, it was much better for all types of players to have LB based on points for finishes, I don't bother trying rake races anywhere. When I play I tend to do a lot of SNG/tourney volume.

Yet again though, they totally ignore anyone playing PLO/PLO8 with these LB's/Missions. Why does PLO8/KO never count for playing SNG's and such?? It's all rake. PLO8 has always had decent player pools considering.

My nickname teotecan . I fight for justice, I apologize to anyone who gets tired of reading this, but a cohesive community is the only real defense against the lawlessness and negligent work of poker networks that care about their reputation. I was not paid prizes for which I played all my free time for a month 3750$ and blocked the account, accusing of some fraud, I have already written a huge post with all the details, now I want to more clearly formulate and prove why I do not agree with this.
My parallel struggle boils down to the answer that the security service decided everything and only it decides something. This is a super position, but I have no choice but to publicly fight and show the public how their security system actually works, show extremely inconsistent actions that give out what I have no doubts about now - no verification and investigations were even conducted on my account, why ? this is obvious if you follow the situation closely. I note that everyone who commented and who plays on the site-or on my side or agree that there should be an objective investigation.
Let's figure it out.
1) on January 22, the first message that I play 24/7 - on January 23, Mike writes that he took action against my account-it Turns out that up to this point, my account was not compromised by internal security systems, although I was checked a week earlier. Here is the first point that I resent and obviously can not be the result of a real investigation - why my account was frozen immediately, and did not conduct an investigation at the end of the campaign, given how much I have put effort and if I am an honest player it will create an extremely bad situation? and as it turns out now in these 24 hours removed from the leaderboard-in fact, for 20 hours it was decided that I was a violator and should have been investigated. But, I called that day and was told and I believe the words of the supervisor that this Department is no longer working. My next call was 20 hours later at the earliest possible local time and they only collected data from my testimony and asked questions.Then I was promised to contact me and had to do it under any circumstances. But I had to call myself and after 4 days-I was literally passed the words of Mike or Miguel that the investigation on me is in progress and as soon as there is information I will be called (which was not done in the end). I see in this segment - a complete contradiction to the actual actions and deeds - banned instantly upon request Mike to forum posts smoothly on the day of the claim, removed from the leaderboard - and the investigation really could and only started after (although in such a situation, it was necessary to hold it parallelno and give me the opportunity to play in the stock without right of withdrawal, if that is always the prizes can be sent to). In any case, from the point of view of the integrity of the network, there is absolutely wrong and dishonest approach. My conclusion even on these facts - there was no investigation, I was just sacrificed publicly in front of the public to extinguish the wave of discontent, because it is not interesting to ban bots for some reason and deal with real criminals. Specifically holding out the answer on my situation until the critical date of January 31-I got that my account and access to the game of poker is closed without details, and on February 1, that access is open this is a very interesting moment and says only that there is a complete mess. On February 2, I was closed again - but there were no notifications and most likely this is due to the fact that I made requests and tried to defend my prizes and it is clearly easier to ignore and close the account, because it is obvious that to deprive the shares and restore the account a few hours after the races is nonsense.
2) Let's say I was actually blocked for some reason and violated something, let's think about what it could be? 1) Using banned software, bots, virtual machines or something else - but this point is easy to refute by the fact that my results are terrible in this particular case and if the banned software gives such results and so "helps" I think it's funny . Before that, and I've been playing for about 5 years probably on this site - there were never any complaints about me. Also, all the sit-out triggers, resetting premium hands from fatigue or not keeping up with the game, all this is present in my game, as well as my game strategy itself is very different from real bots and prompters whose aggression is much higher. I think that accusing me of software is completely absurd and delusional, but it seems to me that this violation has been formally attributed to me so far. But the main obvious illogic - that I played in plus poker until January, and with software banned - in strongly minus and why and what kind of software is this?
3) 2) Transfer the account to someone else to play a lot - this is also easy to refute a) I am ready and offered to record my game on video and we discussed it even with the security service on the phone and they promised that most likely it will be necessary - this is the main argument there should be irrefutable evidence of this action, but I do not believe that it is possible even in theory to prove it 100%, but the fact that I can play the right amount of time under the camera-proves that there can be no claims against me in this b) if you break the game into any pieces and see the stats - it will be the same and it is quite easy to check if you want C) played from one computer, often without interruptions large sessions, literally sitout for 5 minutes, which creates additional difficulties for the transfer of the account d) on average, to win enough to play 13 hours a day, which is more than real. e)Given that the last 2 months to January I played very good and plus poker, it is obvious that in January I had to play regularly in plus" their " sessions, but in fact there is a uniform game in minus without differences, and this is due to the fact that the brain is not able to play thoughtfully every day in this mode and this explains the terrible results and it IS very LOGICAL and there are NO ODDITIES

I don't know what else to come up with and what to ban me for. And now we just put everything in a single picture, looks at the dates of decisions and all the movements and it seems to me super obvious that I was banned just like that and there were no real investigations. Block and delete the player for 1 day at the end of the action, not caring about his work (in parallel, do not touch the bots that all players write about and complain every day, having a security service) allegedly conduct an investigation, but do not specifically contact and clearly hold out until February 1, then unban !! so same it is unclear and then on my resistance decide ban again. How can I freeze an account and delete it from leaderboards in one day if the investigation has just started and ended on January 31? What was the plan, if the person turns out to be innocent how were you going to avoid this moment???????????

Let me also remind you that the first account freeze occurred after I entered the captcha on 8 tables, quite quickly - in a conversation with an employee-he said that it CONFUSED him and he therefore froze (15 hours lost and could lose $ 1000 because of this), but I entered the captcha successfully. It turns out that the security officer may think that I have some automatic software for entering captcha? which you need to enter 2-3 times a month when you withdraw money and know that it will be and at the same time it is unique on this site? At the same time, I do not know the language of English, played January in a strong negative nl25-10, but at the same time I have a program for entering captcha, which is ABSOLUTELY not necessary even from the point of view of rationality. You represent the degree of programming of such things and how it is Well, just this moment is very characteristic of the real level of thinking and checks of players, I do not want to write that this is a low qualification and anger the management of the room, but I just do not know how to explain on my fingers even easier that you create a complete bespredel without any real checks. And you just ruin someone's life with your actions. Why not change your approach and admit your mistakes?

I ask for protection from the public and help me achieve the truth, at this stage, even with all the evidence and logical arguments - all that can be heard in response from the network, we decided so and will not talk to you. This situation can occur with everyone and, if there are no precedents for successful protection, the network will always violate its rights and ignore

It's long...biggest problem is it's too hard to read with no breaks.

Hi Crocken,

Please send me a private message with your account number and email address and I will try my best to get you some clarification on the situation.

Kind Regards

Mike

I have been silently reading this thread (and the cash game thread) but now I feel the situation at chico went from very bad to ... well a joke is the right word? Obv I know the situation mainly from posters of 2+2 but if they are just halfway right...

First of all the situation with bots is a one big joke. I don't know how to solve that issue so I didn't say anything. But to see an e-mail that you sent to a bot user, where you tell him to remove the software or otherwise he would be banned made me hardly loling... or rather cry? How in the hell don't you ban such account right away?

Then the situation with Teotecan. If what he wrote is true, then you chico's department that handled this is a ****in joke (sorry for swearing but I think at this point it is well deserved). Mistakes can happen but to deny him so much after it cost him so much? That shouldn't happen. It makes chico employees look like amateurs or just bunch of dumbasses, pick whatever you like. For realz, how can you run business and screw your customer in such way? I thought you guys are scumbags but then this doesn't really help you in any way, so you are probably just unbelieveably incompetent. As I said, don't know if the teotecan story is true, but from your actions in last few years, I can see it being true tbh.

Kinda of topic, but I have to say, I despise what teotecan did, grinding so much, being BE player... Denying WR from other regs... that kills the game for somebody who wants to make it up the stakes. But then again, why is this even possible? You guys are trying to run promos but then you allow this, keep talking about poker economy, how you wanna make environment better. And then it happens, bunch of microstakes-stuck russians grinding insane amount of hours, being slightly losing make it really hard for upcoming player to make it through. Ofc you get the rake, so why would you care, right? That's dumbass logic btw, worthy of an IQ100 man. But nah, your promotions are the best ofc, just keep focusin on them, why would you try to bring up the declining traffic right, promos are much more important, esp if they suck, right?

Now from my experience, minor thing. I was told by you to remove pio solver from my PC or other I will get banned. Therefore I said if you are actually joking or what kind of a request is that. Did you actually response to this Mike? Why would you ask such a thing, what is it good for? Also my account is not allowed to play poker anymore (after not playing there for 5 months I actually discovered this bw) which is also lol, but idc, so don't bother helping me with this.

Also, I know ppl are harsh at time at you Mike and I also as others thought you might be innocent victim. Maybe partly, but I would def place you in category of incompetent people as well, at least from public statements you make on this forum. No offense, idc about you personaly. So, all in all, I think chico sucks at poker lately. Launching stupid promos just to get some short term satisfaction instead of building steady and healthy traffic.

They are not even getting the rake. The Russian ultra-grinding account sharers receive close to 100% rakeback, sometimes more, otherwise they wouldn't be playing those hours.

Looks like they finally fixed the bottom-most table in the lobby being obscured from view issue.

We want to know how you guys would feel about experimenting with early bird starting stacks:

· Tournament early birds get a 10% starting stack boost for buy-in in before tournament start time.
· Players that buy-in during late reg will receive standard starting stack.
· Which tournament formats do you guys consider this to be feasible?

Let us know any thoughts and ideas please.

Kind Regards

Mike

Crossposted my thoughts from the other thread:

I think this is a poor idea. It's good that you want to create an envoirment that encourages people to register early to make sure games run, but it should not give an actual advantage over people who register later. What's going to happen is that a lot of people will shy away from registering later if they were on the fence. The amount of people who register earlier will not make up for the people who will decide against re-entering later and will create smaller fields. I say this as well as someone who would benefit and help makes game run quite a bit that are close to cancelling.

Two examples of organizers doing it the right way (rewarding early sign-ups, but not punishing people who register later):

- GGPoker gives Bubble Protection meaning anyone who registers early will get their buy-in back in case they bubble.
- Some live HRs makes it rake free or reduced to people who help start the games.