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03-29-2021 , 08:02 PM
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Do you have a similar trend of fewer hands in the BU and CO than in the BB in your database?
I don't play on Party--I play on ignition/bovada network, but after reading this thread I decided to check and at the zone games they are all within 1% (so normal).
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03-29-2021 , 11:02 PM
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how do u (Widzy) have 23,000 hands in the CO and 27,000 hands in MP?
Thats a really good question man Maybe we should ask partypoker employees about that one
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03-30-2021 , 09:01 PM
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I just looked at my database and found the same issue. Hopefully just a reporting thing from HM or My Game...




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03-31-2021 , 02:00 PM
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Strange this thread hasn't gotten more traction. I played briefly on Party and noticed the same trend but chalked it up to lolsamplesize. Has anyone tried importing all the raw party HH into a different tracker like PT4 or H2N and seeing if the numbers match up with HM2/HM3?
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03-31-2021 , 10:19 PM
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maybe if you are 4 handed it counts as BB, SB, BTN and EP?
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04-15-2021 , 08:31 AM
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maybe if you are 4 handed it counts as BB, SB, BTN and EP?
No because you can filter for 4/4 and see that CO is mentioned but EP isnt so its definately registering as CO when 4 handed.
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04-19-2021 , 03:15 PM
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I can confirm this is true. You dont even need to pay close attention to see this.
i have a 1.5m hand sample for anyone whos interested to go public with it, this issue ONLY occurs at the fastforward games.

sometimes i get dealt the BB 3 times in a row and SB 4 times consecutilely when its 3 handed at 500ff, its a complete joke

I hope this thread gets more attention
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04-19-2021 , 03:54 PM
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I can confirm this is true. You dont even need to pay close attention to see this.
i have a 1.5m hand sample for anyone whos interested to go public with it, this issue ONLY occurs at the fastforward games.
What are the stats from said sample? And I would assume there are lots of players in your database that are getting far too few hands in the SB and BB? Any commonalities with those players?
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04-19-2021 , 07:05 PM
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There is constant problems with the "sitout next bb at ff tables" button, though not sure how that even effects this... maybe you end up closing the table in frustration before you are due an extra BU or CO?

While we are here - it would be nice if PP would fix the reversed blinds at normal tables when a 3rd player joins a 2 handed table and when a game is breaking to HU.
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04-19-2021 , 07:19 PM
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What are the stats from said sample? And I would assume there are lots of players in your database that are getting far too few hands in the SB and BB? Any commonalities with those players?
msg me in private if u want my stats /results
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04-19-2021 , 09:45 PM
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No because you can filter for 4/4 and see that CO is mentioned but EP isnt so its definately registering as CO when 4 handed.
Oh I finally understand. I always have more hands in CO, BTN, MP, SB, and BB; than in EP. Now it makes sense. I play a lot of shorthanded games. I had no idea how I could be playing fewer hands in the EP if I wait for the blinds to sit out.

Now it makes sense.
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04-20-2021 , 02:01 AM
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There is constant problems with the "sitout next bb at ff tables" button, though not sure how that even effects this... maybe you end up closing the table in frustration before you are due an extra BU or CO?
The fix to the sit out problem I found quite easy, you simply can't press the "sit out" whilst a table is "transfering" to a new table. F.E. If you are running 4 tables and you press sit out bb on all tables, the only tables that will sit out on bb will be the ones where you currently have a hand even though the check mark comes through on all tables.
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04-20-2021 , 03:19 AM
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msg me in private if u want my stats /results
That won't help anyone. I'm just referring to simple stats like others have shown - number of hands in each position. I don't play at Party; I'd just like to see you guys be able to push this forward if there's really a problem, and the only way that's going to happen is if you all start sharing stats publicly.
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04-20-2021 , 05:06 AM
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What are the stats from said sample? And I would assume there are lots of players in your database that are getting far too few hands in the SB and BB? Any commonalities with those players?
The extra hands in CO have to go somewhere, and my guess would be winning players get dealt more hands in SB/BB whereas fish get dealt more hands in CO so they lose slower.
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04-20-2021 , 10:09 AM
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thx alot fukayo
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04-20-2021 , 10:56 AM
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The reason im putting this here is that its really hard to go trough management team on party and most of the time the response is " we are looking into it " , but in fact I waited 3 months to post here so if theres any chance this can go public please help.
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04-20-2021 , 10:57 AM
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wow, this is pretty interesting
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04-20-2021 , 11:47 AM
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I that stats when tables r full 6 max?Because it could be overall stats alongside heads up,3 way,4 way situation if players pool is low.
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04-20-2021 , 12:08 PM
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I that stats when tables r full 6 max?Because it could be overall stats alongside heads up,3 way,4 way situation if players pool is low.
these have been filtered for 3 to 3
4 to 4
5 to 5
6 to 6
players
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04-20-2021 , 04:47 PM
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Those numbers from Kanaxis' post are pretty damning. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there should be very little variance over such a sample in terms of how many hands are dealt to each position. This is especially true when the results are filtered for games that are exactly 3, 4, 5-handed. The chances the software is legitimate and just so happened to deal Kanaxis at least 7% less hands in the CO than in any other position seem close to 0.
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04-20-2021 , 04:50 PM
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Those numbers from Kanaxis' post are pretty damning. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there should be very little variance over such a sample in terms of how many hands are dealt to each position. This is especially true when the results are filtered for games that are exactly 3, 4, 5-handed. The chances the software is legitimate and just so happened to deal Kanaxis at least 7% less hands in the CO than in any other position seem close to 0.
multiple people have all shared similar stuff haven't run the numbers but there's a clear pattern that appears to be statistically significant
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04-20-2021 , 05:17 PM
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wow, this is pretty interesting
Interesting but not surprising. Back when I played on Party I would often post 3 small blinds in a row whenever I tried sitting out next big blind. 6-max FastForward, not even short handed.
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04-20-2021 , 05:56 PM
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Hadn't checked before but this is interesting. I'll take screenshots later if they are needed. Couldn't filter out regular tables but I would estimate 80-90% of my hands are in FF, shorter the game the higher the percent is likely to be FF.

3 players:
BTN 50,978
SB 54,611
BB 53,957

4 players
CO 119,851
BTN 126,725
SB 127,795
BB 125,898

5 players
MP 196,076
CO 187,229
BTN 197,842
SB 198,575
BB 194,968
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04-20-2021 , 08:02 PM
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The extra hands in CO have to go somewhere, and my guess would be winning players get dealt more hands in SB/BB whereas fish get dealt more hands in CO so they lose slower.
Well, that's a possibility. And if it's the case, those with stats could provide some evidence of that.

It would also help eliminate the possibility of this being a software issue. IE if those extra hands in CO aren't showing up anywhere, it could be some kind of tracking software problem.
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