So now the question is: Do I cashout and transfer back to stars or do I take the chance and stay on iPoker for good VIP program?

Statement from iPoker regarding bots:

http://de.pokerstrategy.com/forum/th...25#post9965025

I don't see a signature. Who posted this "official statement"? Who do they work for/represent?

Looks like that's a transcript of their interview with ipoker, it was posted by the forum admin. Google translate:

"As promised here is the official statement of iPoker. We have asked in advance iPoker some specific questions that are answered directly in the statement. An unofficial translation of the statement can be found at the end of the post.

As announced, we will also continue to conduct any further questions on iPoker."

wtf is this all real...how the hell can this be allowed

+1
nothing wrong with bots
it takes a lot of time and effort to create a winning bot profile.

Good to know he is involved in the software , but hey, Playtech holds a
Certificate of Prior Approval from the Alderney Gambling Control Commission, so it must be OK

Wow wtf, they put bots in with 44% ROI???? doesnt this also pretty much mean that their rng must be rigged?!?!?!

flood your skin's live support with complaints, i've already spoke to some1 at betfred who was shocked the info i was giving him. linked them to this thread also, which is being forwarded to management at betfred.

the more complaints they recv the more likely something is done

Don't panic. No bots on the site. Move along.

Hello all,

please also check the linked iPoker statement regarding this matter on PokerStrategy:

We as poker room reps are here to listen to your concerns and feedback, if you should have any suspicious details, feel free to message us directly and we will forward the information to management and iPoker security for further investigation.

Best regards,
Poker770

edit:

We will get in touch with 2+2 to confirm the linked statement as directly from iPoker though and as soon as that is verified, it will be included on here.

I wondered how long it would be before someone nitpicked about this.

That T&C is from their casino site, where I assume they have non-skill games like roulette, keno, etc. They're using the "skill game" name to distinguish things like backgammon from roulette.

You did - Zaudermeister posted something last night that said they were. Whether that's the case or not remains to be seen.

Sigh.

The shill-type accusations are getting pretty silly and thrown around all the time, but they are pretty serious allegations, and it would be nice if people would do the least bit of research before making them.

This is a thread about a supposed "house bot" that appears not to have been one after all, therefore I was questioning why you would want to boycott the site over that. We have a couple of large threads already about the overall iPoker bot situation; if that's what you want to boycott the site over, you should be a little more clear with your posts.

Ive read through the complete thread but must be missing the part that confirmed it not being a bot?

Don't get me wrong, Im sceptic, but no way in hell can the support person be so clueless as to wrongfully declaring an account as a bot when it is in fact not.

I think bots get dealt those jokers, but they don't show up as jokers at showdown, they sow like the card the bot needs to suck out on you.

But I'm sure some morons will continue playing, they don't mind crappy software, why mind bots.

After all all this IPoker network is regulated by Kanawake Cheating Commission.

They have more them 20 alias with the same stats, come on don't be so naive.

Just took a look at the $20nl lobby on ipoker.

Still all the usual suspects playing.

I don't get your post? Where am I being naïve? About being sceptical?
Im not being sceptical about the presence of bots on ipoker network. This is not what this thread is about.

This thread is about house bots. I suggest you read the thread. It is in fact quite entertaining.

This joker nonsense really needs to stop imho. It is based on nothing but air. If there are superusing house bots, Im pretty freakin sure they don't need to insert jokers in the deck for them.


This is just ******ed.

Everyone talking about bots in general on ipoker are massively derailing this thread imho

I think that the player named botxxxx is a real player ?

If iPoker can confirm this it would clear up the housebot issue.

I am about to sign a VIP deal with iPoker so just dont think a big serious network like this would try to cheat.

We have all heard about bots on all networks but really they can not beat the higher levels m if they did it would be easily detected. ANd if iPoker find out about that the accounts will be banned.

I am sure iPoker want to do this so please dont try to blame iPoker here. I agree that the support chat from Paddypower was ridicilous and made things worse for them.

I was pretty sure one of the iPoker room reps did.

LOL seriously? Of course they could be.

Just got a PM:

-Andrzej.

How much value does an Ipoker rep's voice have in this? It's like a FTP rep saying FTP is down because of an update.

Sure, and everyone has to make their own decision as to what they want to believe. However, if we are to assume that they are lying to us, would they really have a bot they didn't want anyone to know about and call it...bot? Between that, some of what people said the "bot" was doing earlier (like observing), and the fact that the T&C's weren't for the poker site, I'm inclined to believe them.

But regardless, if it's true that others are able to run bots on the site fairly easily, that is still a huge concern. Hopefully iPoker is finally getting serious about dealing with the issue.

They are beating upto 1knl and are taking millions out the poker economy look at the huge thread in msnl forum.

(x-posting shorter version)

My theory is that there isn't a house bot but more importantly that iPoker aren't even tolerating player bots to make extra money.

I think they are just clueless about poker security and couldn't tell a 2005 bot from a human player over a 200k hand sample.

As someone else mentioned, poker is just a small fraction of huge companies such as WH, Betfred etc...and the bottom line is that the people working security there don't know anything about poker but since they have to give some kind of answer, they say they'll investigate, go back to jacking off to Japanese porn, and send an email a few weeks later stating there aren't any bots on the site.

Because let's be realistic. Most players can't tell the difference, is it really that unbelievable (I'm not saying it isn't outrageous) that they could simply have ******ed monkeys working their security departments?

Remember the huge security leaks on other sites. Seems to be the most likely scenario right now.
Even PS, the most "honest" and dilligent poker site out there took a while to get rid of their own bot ring, and there are clearly at least a few bots still playing there, so how hard is it to believe that a business for which poker is only a minor fraction of revenues and which has a reputation as far less than professional would be unable to detect foul play?