Will Hill have exclusive deals with Bot software companies which only allow you to run the Bot software on Hills and 1 other skin.

Below is a screen grab of what I sent to iPoker when I tried to test it. One of the names "whited" out was Hills I am not 100% on the other as it was 12 months ago so I wont speculate.

[URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/543/botimage******]

I doubt/hope Hills aren't running bots for their own use but the definitely facilitate their use on the Network.

Thank you. It really helps when a site rep gives a clear and quick response to something like this.

What's a bot but some form of artificial intelligence used to calculate decisions that the human brain can not and act accordingly.
Unless you have a brain "the size of a small planet" you can not do what poker tracking software does, and therefore are bot assisted.

http://skill.williamhill.com/help/what-are-bot-players/

Here you can see their skill games:

http://skill.williamhill.com/

Gin Rummy, Backgammon, Blackjack, Domino etc.

Yeah, that's a debate that's been had many times on this forum, and we really don't need to turn this thread into another one.

Bink. Skill games thing makes a lot of sense (and explains mostly the confusion with the CR rep).

This is interesting. I've always wanted to program a bot. Let's rename Ipoker to Botpoker and start some bot vs bot violence!!

In a casino where every hand is dealt from a fresh deck, blackjack is not a game of skill.

Awesome if true.

i will insta cashout when i get home... lol

Ive just read this whole thread in complete shock at their openess about it......WTF is going on!

It seems that the house bot confirmation was a misunderstanding but that the heat caused by it finally got Ipoker to do something about the player bots destroying the games.

Well played!

Sounds more like the process had been going on for quite a long time before this last thread started. I'm sure the pressure from all the other threads was important though.

Assuming that announcement is real and correct, of course.

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Just so it's clear to everyone, what you are quoting here is from the 'skill games' of william hill's website, a different product to it's ipoker poker skin.

http://skill.williamhill.com/help/what-are-bot-players/

To add to that:

It's VERY important for the community to constantly be on watch for these things and then if we find something spread the news. The pokersites understand the power of 2+2 threads and when they see a bunch of regulars on their sites saying they will quit that forces them to do something about the problems.

Therefore 2+2 we are the best watchdog for keeping poker legit. Scandals have allways been uncovered here on 2+2 so I hope in fear of scandals being discovered the pokersites will stop being so shady and just be straight up legit.


As for the bots I think people should IP track them and see if they have relations to iPoker or anything known.

How are people supposed to do this?

Umm poker is a skill game obv lol

I must've missed something itt. Where's the part where iPoker decided to do something about the bots ravaging their network?

Sure, the house bots are a misunderstanding but it doesn't change the facts that:

-iPoker is full of player bots, many winning up to higher mid-stakes
-They know and have known about it for years now
-They have never done and likely will never do anything about it.

If they ever dain to stop by 2+2, it'll be to confirm that this whole thing was a mistake.
They'll focus on the fact that there are no house bots at all, etc...of course never addressing the problem with all the player bots.
When someone will point this out and ask them to answer, they'll disappear for another 6 months until the next promotion, etc...

Bottomline is: If you don't care about the moral implications and think you can beat the bots, by all means keep playing.
If not, leave the network because they'll never do anything about this problem.
They've obviously computed the EV of the value of having bots going at it 24/7 and raking trillions vs the value of a few lost 2+2 players and made a decision accordingly.

In other things we learn from iPoker: Poker isn't a game of skill.

Sounds like a good night

Are you on the take?

Housebots, or otherwise, players should do something to make their feelings known and what better way to do that than by hitting the sites in their pockets?

If other sites/networks see that players aren't prepared to actually take action to stop botting, what is there to discourage them from starting to turn a blind eye to bots appearing on their software, or even worse, developing their own?

This is a serious issue. I daresay a few people are making decent money from this, botters, affiliates to the botters, sites that gain liquidty and it all comes out of the honest players pockets.

It's close to theft imo and I'm amazed that some people don't seem to grasp the seriousness of the situation. Botting seems to be viewed the same way as insurance fraud, or w/e, because people can't see the direct damage it does to them, they aren't fussed about it but the truth is that every player is negatively affected by them in some way, much the same as we are by rising insurance premiums because some people think it's ok to make fraudulent claims.

Hello,

I can confirm the post of the Paddy Power Rep that there will be a statement from iPoker towards the bot situation, the investigation of all submitted info that has been posted on various threads here at 2+2 was already in progress for quite some time.

As far as I have been informed, it will be published either today or tomorrow and for PokerStrategy they will also address most if not all the suspicious accounts that were mentioned.

As mentioned in the thread before, the role of 2+2 as watchdog is important and iPoker same as Poker770 as one of the skins take these security issues very serious and if you have any proof for suspicious activities, do not hesitate to get in touch with us and we will investigate this further.

Best regards,
Poker770

I used to track the changes in iPoker software for years, and noticed that files not used in new versions were removed from installation package, but the jokers survive through all the updates. Moreover, if you delete the files containing joker images, you'll get an error message when trying to join a table.

-Andrzej.

please, gimme a break..."quite some time"?

What a coincidence! Info about iPoker's bot situation going dangerously public just in time for a 2 year investigation to finish. Great timing...

Translation of your post: "We hate 2+2 for constantly meddling with our very profitable business practice or letting bots play on our network undisturbed, but this is getting too damaging and dangerous for our rep as it threatens to blow beyond 2+2 in this climate of online poker shadiness, so we're going to pretend as though we'll do something about it while doing the least possible"

I'll agree with you on one thing, though: everyone here take a good look at how important it is in getting a reaction from poker sites.
All it took was moving the MSNL thread no one read to NVG.