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10-04-2011 , 02:40 PM

#26

JimmyRare

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Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,752

wtf! this should be posted on pokerscout or some other poker news site so players can be aware!

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10-04-2011 , 02:42 PM

#27

deathorglory0

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 4,464

need to kick up a fuss about this and get those other bots at $400nl+ booted off the site too.

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10-04-2011 , 02:50 PM

#28

dybboss

old hand

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,514

wow, its been a well known information over several years that bots ARE ALLOWED on this network, i dont understand sudden confusion and 'wtfs' by all of you...

just dont play there and problem solved. ipoker has always been botting and shortstacking heaven.

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10-04-2011 , 02:53 PM

#29

BanffOne

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Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 34

Can we get a drone bomber to hit HQ? Any site employing these bots really need to be blacklisted and outed in a big way. Ethics, there is no grey area.

Someone post a master list of bot known sites.

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10-04-2011 , 02:54 PM

#30

MetalSpork

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Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,294

WH players must really suck.

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10-04-2011 , 03:01 PM

#31

TiltTheTilt

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Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,920

Now it seems we're getting the type of reaction I expected.

I can't believe that anyone is ok with this.

Just to confirm, the bots are now owned by William Hill and you can also have your own bots?

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10-04-2011 , 03:03 PM

#32

maryn

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Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,102

IPoker Terms & Conditions

"10.1.1.4 in games offered via the Website which benefit from more players or greater liquidity we may deploy electronic players (known as robots, and whose usernames will be "bot") who are pre-programmed to play and join in with the game in order to assist the liquidity or the number of players gaming;"

http://www.williamhillcasino.com/terms.htm

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10-04-2011 , 03:03 PM

#33

TiltTheTilt

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Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,920

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Originally Posted by DoubleFly

How is this any different than regular casinos employing shills? Altho I kind of feel like if they were going to have in-house bots to get games going, they should at least have the courtesy of programming a break-even bot, rather than one that is crushing all the customers.

Regular casino's employing shills would be the equivalent of Online Poker Props, not house bots, IMO.

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10-04-2011 , 03:05 PM

#34

Hood

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Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 6,895

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wow, its been a well known information over several years that bots ARE ALLOWED on this network, i dont understand sudden confusion and 'wtfs' by all of you...

A month ago the PaddyPower rep here on 2+2 was being 100% explicit that bots are prohibited network-wide.

So i'm not 100% sure to make of this thread. Hopefully the paddy rep can come in ASAP and explain what is going on.

quotes from old thraed:

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Both Paddy and iPoker are of the opinion that if a user is proven to be a bot they should be banner network wide.

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We are confident that Playtech take the issue of botting very seriously. We have seen them take action on numerous occassions and the next few months should demonstrate iPoker's commitment to solving this problem.

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We know Playtech take the issue of bots seriously because we've seen Paddy accounts guilty of foul play routinely locked.

Every poker site that has or has had bots will lose short term rake as a result of taking a strong line against bots. Playtech along with the vast majority of poker sites appreciate that the most important factor in running a successful poker network is ensuring players are happy.

I personally believe that a lot of the problems and bad feedback stem from the fact that players are reguarly reporting customers as bots who are not. We've received a lot of PMs and some of the accused bots are real life players and not guilty of any foul play whatsoever.

On top of this the reporting party often expects details of the verification process which are impossible to provide.

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We know that Playtech are handling this situation properly because we can actually see the results. We will also be conducting our own investigations into alleged bots and passing on any evidence to Playtech. When we recognise blatant foul play Playtech are extremely receptive and act quickly.

from:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...hread-1076607/

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here's where the willhill terms have come up before, back in june
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...games-1035109/

i didn't think these 'bot' usernames ever actually had been seen in real money games.

Last edited by Hood; 10-04-2011 at 03:11 PM.

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10-04-2011 , 03:06 PM

#35

Zaudermeister

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Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 6

There are confirmed (twice by two different live-support members) bots by William Hill (which have a decent Profit):

Also its confirmed in the TOS:

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10.1.1.4 in games offered via the Website which benefit from more players or greater liquidity we may deploy electronic players (known as robots, and whose usernames will be "bot") who are pre-programmed to play and join in with the game in order to assist the liquidity or the number of players gaming although we will not use bots without making such usage clear to You

http://williamhill-lang.custhelp.com...p?p_faqid=6719

On the other hand, there are a huge amount of user bots, which seem to be allowed in the ipoker-network (as long as you dont play on the same table with them).

Check this:

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Ipoker-Support: " You are not allowed to be at the same table with your own bot as you have access to two hands and is a form of collusion"

xxx: "not at two tables i mean if i sit down and run my bot an look at it?"

Ipoker-Support " There should not be a problem with that"

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10-04-2011 , 03:18 PM

#36

datsmahname

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Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 4,164

Curious about some FL players on iPoker

Can someone investigate these players with PTR premium?

Players with suspect tendencies:

http://www.pokertableratings.com/ipo...earch/beninnio

http://www.pokertableratings.com/ipo...rch/appollodor

http://www.pokertableratings.com/ipo...search/alavala

http://www.pokertableratings.com/ipo...earch/Huko34uk

http://www.pokertableratings.com/ipo...arch/zacharyas

All 5 players show similar VPIP/PFR/3-bet and continuation bet tednencies.

All of them have extremely high hand volumes and long sessions, all but 1 is winning without rake back.

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10-04-2011 , 03:22 PM

#37

compncards

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Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 21

Actually, their TOS states that running bots is a unfair advantage. Look at 11.5.3 on their TOS and its states it as an unfair advantage for players.

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10-04-2011 , 03:26 PM

#38

signuptoday

old hand

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,283

****
no wonder it's harder to in the DON now
i suspect alot of bot, and not realize it's legal....
so..where can i get the most advance DON bot
rakeback baby.

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10-04-2011 , 03:28 PM

#39

nickybro27

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Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 227

Sick stuff. siccccckkkk. Heard about the bot rumors but now this confirms it. crazyy8ball below the belt ****!

Last edited by Mike Haven; 10-04-2011 at 04:08 PM.

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10-04-2011 , 03:29 PM

#40

horse84

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Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,574

the fact that there are players who played 2mio hands of microstakes FLH alone makes it pretty clear to me that these cannot be humans... (wouldnt even make sense for a chinese grindshop)

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10-04-2011 , 03:31 PM

#41

chappo100

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Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 100

cheeky post before it turns 5star also feniix35 is defo a bot

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10-04-2011 , 03:33 PM

#42

TiltTheTilt

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Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,920

According to the last couple posts, William Hill/iPoker is employing 'housebots'(which are profitable and making even more money for the skins/Network) and individual players can also use bots. WOW!

The Network did use to say 'officially' that they did not allow bots, but my understanding is they always looked the other way unless it was so obvious they had no choice.

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10-04-2011 , 03:37 PM

#43

rje8686

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Originally Posted by chappo100

cheeky post before it turns 5star also feniix35 is defo a bot

yeh..and pillow100.

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10-04-2011 , 03:40 PM

#44

f3nix35

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Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 3,104

Wow, bots seem to be crushing too... Inexcusable.

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Originally Posted by chappo100

cheeky post before it turns 5star also feniix35 is defo a bot

And lies

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10-04-2011 , 03:40 PM

#45

boohaa12

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Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 4,194

This isnt new news that there is bots on the ipoker networksss... why everyone getting tweet happy?

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10-04-2011 , 03:40 PM

#46

The OG

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Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 323

Lolbotaments

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10-04-2011 , 03:41 PM

#47

chip11

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Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 221

I'm really struggling to believe this. But a lot of people who know a lot more than me believe it, so I'm forcing myself to try and get my head around it.

IF this is true, it is truly shocking.

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10-04-2011 , 03:41 PM

#48

TPTK27

banned

Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 926

House bots, whoever would have thought online poker sites with so much integrity and so much to lose would employ such a tactic for a few extra grand?

Sites like I-Poker and Microgaming have cash game bots that distribute money between players- keeps people dominating too much and the money in circulation- good for the rake.

You ever played vs a seeming super LAG, who ****s you over non stop only to have donated 'your stack' to another player at the table within a few hands. That's the house bot.

The fact that this one has won $7,000 is curious, how advanced is this bot, is it human controlled with access to hole cards, is the deal rigged to favour it? How else could a random but put into the games to make up the numbers score $7,000 in profit?