I'm not sure if it's completely correct that for a non-US player it would be dumb to play there. Stars has some nice functionality [at least for my liking anyway] that allows you to play way more tables at a time somewhat comfortably compared with other sites. So that's a factor too.

But you are correct that the 5/10 full-ring LHE tables aren't exactly 'juicy' and some of those seats are filled by the same players across most/all tables trying to accumulate VPP's and eek out 0.5BB/100 or something.

If I was going to play 5/10 limit full-ring and wasn't going to play a really high volume [1 million VPP's to get to Elite or something]and maybe preferred to play 3 tables at a time or fewer then I would definitely consider site-selecting better and Europeans can certainly do more of that than Americans.

But if you are Supernova or higher [300k or 400k VPP or so] then the 5/10 limit games are a big VPP cash-cow and I suspect your rakeback % would be pretty solid there. So it's a matter of whether you want to play worse games for 40% MGR RB or so [not the contributed crap that some sites try to sell you on] vs. some other site with better games, but also not as many of them, at maybe the same or less rakeback.

Arguments can be made both ways but I definitely wouldn't disagree with someone who prefers to play only 3 tables or someting and said that they can play on some Euro site with horrid players and do way better than they can trying to find 3 decent full-ring limit tables on Stars.

I play the 5-10 FR limit and I don't find the games to be tight. Also since the VPP program is worth 1.3BB/100 even if other sites were juicer the gap doesn't make up for that.

Not to mention the few times I've looked at other sites they rarely have any limit above 1-2 and sometimes 2-4 (with the exception of FTP).

+1

I don't know why this would be so hard to implement, Stars knows how many points the players have accumulated each month. It would certainly give some folks more incentive in the second half of the year to make the push for it.

This is the second year in a row that I've had some months early in the year where I couldn't play, and now SN looks out of sight; which is why I'm thinking about doing some bonus whoring and rakeback sites for the rest of the year.

As much as I love Stars software and support, I only seem to get about 17% value from Goldstar, and would likely get about 22% or so pushing to Platinum. 27% somewhere else looks good at least until I can take a better shot at SN


Shauna

1st point -- no not making a case for not playing there or saying the games are super tough to beat, just saying i haven't got past 1/2.

2nd point -- I explained why I don't table select and obviously I would earn more if I looked up weaker players. I don't know the point of your post, but I clearly went over both things you responded with in my original post.

Do you mind telling us how many hours a week you think you average in order to reach Elite status?

You actively choose to make less money from poker? This is bizarre to me. I can understand if you're too lazy to table select. But to actually choose not to table select just blows my mind. Weird. I guess people like you are the reason I make a good living? I don't know.

I don't play donkaments, or at stars. but if I did, then I wouldn't want to prize pool to surpass the guaranteed level....that's the overlay, right?

"Do you mind telling us how many hours a week you think you average in order to reach Elite status?"

Bob plays 460 tables for 3.5 minutes a day IIRC.

I am not a pro (own my own business and work roughly 60 hours/week) and I do play low stakes (NL100) and Stars is better than Tilt for me. I am a SuperNova, not hard to get.

I play a little at Tilt to break the monotony but prefer Stars anyday.

i think people are really over looking the value that can be had in the 2-4 and 3-6 split games for earning fpp's

I calculated my rakeback equivalent today. So far Stars is giving me 47% rakeback.

This is sick. How many VPPs/FPPs is this from?

As a side question, what type of rakeback can someone just achieving Supernova hope to see for the year?

Cheers.

I am only SN and I haven't played any insane amounts this year. As I hit the bigger milestones I expect the percentage to increase.

I'm not really familiar with rakeback but I'm fairly sure I calculated it correctly. I added all the benefits I've received and then divided by the figure Poker Grapher gave me as my rake payed since Jan 1.

Poker Grapher does give the MGR figure that should be used to figure in rakeback.

So I seems like you're doing it right.

It might be even be a little sweeter (only a tiny bit) than that since there's no penalty on stars for deposit fees or buying stuff at the store that other sites like FTP take out of your MGR before calculating your rakeback.

We don't. Prima ftw

any numbers on SN rb% equivalent. Also heard stars calculate rb differently to other sites, contributed or something, is that better? c

Stars doesn't have rakeback.
There is nothing 'contributed' about it and sites that have contributed rakeback are generally worse for you if you're a tighter player.

A rough estimate for rakeback as a Supernova on Stars is 25-30% but this depends still on volume of play [how much above and beyond Supernova you go] and what game and stakes you play.
If you are a low-volume Supernova [barely make it to 100k VPP's] then the weekly freerolls are more valuable to you and if you are interested in playing those every week that will be significant increase in your rakeback-value and thus give you a higher percentage.

If you fall just short of Elite...say you get 800k VPP's or so...then you can be a Supernova and get close to 45-50% rakeback for example.

But, for the most part, 25-30% is a decent estimate and puts you in the general ballpark for most normal players who play a somewhat low to medium volume.

If you only MAKE IT to Supernova and don't put in any play at all AS a Supernova then that pretty much means you spent the whole year as a Platinum so you are likely in the 15-20% range on Stars but this can vary quite a bit.
After you get to Supernova then you are probably getting around 25-30% just to estimate. But again, it can vary quite a bit.

Henry17 proves that this doesn't apply to everybody as I suspect he calculated it properly for what I think he plays.

If you put in a really nice volume up to 400k or 500k VPP's or more then you may very well be in the 45%+ range. Or you could possibly be well over 50% on certain games.
But it doesn't take a sick volume or high stakes to get to the 25% range really.

to commit roll suicde and throw money away. bustoville get ready im coming. and i want to party!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!