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01-16-2010 , 08:52 PM
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Can you imagine booking your trip to the Bellagio/Venetaion/Wynn or wherever directly through the FPP program?
I came.
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01-16-2010 , 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Pokerho
My guess is a US based site will draw all of the US players from FT and Stars, unless the rake is so bad that it offsets the gains from the (hopefully) millions of new fish.
lol, i think the days of 2003-05 online poker are over? people have learned
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01-16-2010 , 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by tk1133
Evolution is a lie...

Why don't we give birth to monkeys any more then? Where did the strength of apes go?
And with that you make your agenda perfectly clear. You're here because poker is a sin to you and you can just **** off and die.
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01-16-2010 , 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by tk1133
Evolution is a lie...

Why don't we give birth to monkeys any more then? Where did the strength of apes go?
*Smiles while suppressing uncontrollable laughter*

Evolution = Fact
NPR Story December 12th, 2009:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=121092289
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01-16-2010 , 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by shwotime2009
lol, i think the days of 2003-05 online poker are over? people have learned
i agree, its funny how many americans still believe if it all gets regulated again it will become a fish heaven & it wont. They'll deposit on partypoker and notice its full of shortstacking rocks and be shocked.
Being able to only play on sites like Stars & Full Tilt may seem like a nightmare for americans, simple fact is its not just americans who've learned how to play poker better in recent years but everybody has access to 2+2, training sites etc. Everyone's got better, every site is tough.
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01-17-2010 , 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by CraftyCal
i agree, its funny how many americans still believe if it all gets regulated again it will become a fish heaven & it wont. They'll deposit on partypoker and notice its full of shortstacking rocks and be shocked.
Being able to only play on sites like Stars & Full Tilt may seem like a nightmare for americans, simple fact is its not just americans who've learned how to play poker better in recent years but everybody has access to 2+2, training sites etc. Everyone's got better, every site is tough.
Poker is our game. There are ten of millions of US citizens who think they are great and are weak. They will rejoin the fray when it become clearly legal.

It will not be like before but it will be better than now. You should be looking forward to it. I mean the English are big fish eaters, right?
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01-17-2010 , 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnWilkes
It will not be like before but it will be better than now.
That. End thread.
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01-17-2010 , 02:02 AM
sanitary napkins? no, lipstick.
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01-17-2010 , 03:26 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnWilkes

It will not be like before but it will be MUCH better than now.
fyp



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Originally Posted by 5thStreetHog
That. End thread.
QFMFT

now you can /thread
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01-17-2010 , 03:34 AM
Only way games will become good is if new sites have limits on number of tables and ban HUDs while at the same time attract casual players. Otherwise it will be pretty much the same as it is now, with short stackers and multitablers grinding them down.

It is of course a nice dream to imagine games becoming great again, but Party/Stars/FTP has pretty much done everything in their power to make sure the online poker climate is fish unfriendly. It is good for us grinders but horrible for casual players.
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01-17-2010 , 03:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Freudian
Only way games will become good is if new sites have limits on number of tables and ban HUDs while at the same time attract casual players. Otherwise it will be pretty much the same as it is now, with short stackers and multitablers grinding them down.

It is of course a nice dream to imagine games becoming great again, but Party/Stars/FTP has pretty much done everything in their power to make sure the online poker climate is fish unfriendly. It is good for us grinders but horrible for casual players.
you have been around long enough to understand that the possibilities of never ending fish ponds is not so much of a stretch.

it will all depend on advertising regulations. if poker ads are treated like tobacco ads and not allowed in most places, the surge will be good but not great. however, ads run during football games, law & order, lost etc that tout new, LEGAL internet poker could lead to a boom even bigger than the moneymaker effect. imo, MUCH bigger.

it has to be a perfect storm but the elements are there imo.
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01-17-2010 , 04:13 AM
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Originally Posted by GrannyMae
you have been around long enough to understand that the possibilities of never ending fish ponds is not so much of a stretch.

it will all depend on advertising regulations. if poker ads are treated like tobacco ads and not allowed in most places, the surge will be good but not great. however, ads run during football games, law & order, lost etc that tout new, LEGAL internet poker could lead to a boom even bigger than the moneymaker effect. imo, MUCH bigger.

it has to be a perfect storm but the elements are there imo.
I completely agree...I think people are greatly under-estimating the disposable money people will put into the poker economy if everyone in the US knows poker is legal and they are bombarded with advertising for it 24/7.
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01-17-2010 , 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by jmillerdls
I completely agree...I think people are greatly under-estimating the disposable money people will put into the poker economy if everyone in the US knows poker is legal and they are bombarded with advertising for it 24/7.
No doubt there are some people itching to play. The problem is that the product the sites are selling now is significantly worse than the product these customers were buying 2005. Remember these guys are playing for entertainment.
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01-17-2010 , 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Freudian
No doubt there are some people itching to play. The problem is that the product the sites are selling now is significantly worse than the product these customers were buying 2005. Remember these guys are playing for entertainment.

but there is a pool of millions of players that never played online or even thought about it because it has always been a dodgy proposition. just because there used to be little in the way of enforcement, the lax rules of 2003 pale in comparison to a full fledged, government blessing wrt to potential growth.
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01-17-2010 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by HSB
And with that you make your agenda perfectly clear. You're here because poker is a sin to you and you can just **** off and die.
And with that makes your flaws pretty clear, your an idiot, k thanks, get over it.

and prove it....
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01-17-2010 , 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by shwotime2009
*Smiles while suppressing uncontrollable laughter*

Evolution = Fact
NPR Story December 12th, 2009:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=121092289
http://unmaskingevolution.com/25-human.htm
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01-17-2010 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by tk1133
I know you're just trolling because this is a poker site, but the facts are there
It's not proof, because you can't "prove" history
But there is enough evidence to call evolution a FACT
btw, Darwin's theory of evolution is no longer accepted, the current theory of evolution is the newer punctuated equillibrium theory
theories change about HOW evolution occurs, but every scientist agrees it does occur
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01-17-2010 , 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by GrannyMae
but there is a pool of millions of players that never played online or even thought about it because it has always been a dodgy proposition. just because there used to be little in the way of enforcement, the lax rules of 2003 pale in comparison to a full fledged, government blessing wrt to potential growth.
Not to mention how many people want to play online but don't pursue it any farther once their credit card is declined. Each hoop we have to jump through drastically cuts the number of casual players.
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01-17-2010 , 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by iopq
I know you're just trolling because this is a poker site, but the facts are there
It's not proof, because you can't "prove" history
But there is enough evidence to call evolution a FACT
btw, Darwin's theory of evolution is no longer accepted, the current theory of evolution is the newer punctuated equillibrium theory
theories change about HOW evolution occurs, but every scientist agrees it does occur
Ok I apologize for failing to understand the points made, I am fired up b/c I got infractions for a Poker Rep in a different thread 2 days ago, said Darwin's theory of evolution is a fact...
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01-17-2010 , 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Omaha Chris
No matter how favorable the playing field becomes in terms of legislation, The bonuses and the games will NEVER again be anywhere close to as good as they were.

The online gaming business model has changed and matured. Poker sites and casinos learned their lessons. The only reason you could "make a living" off of bonuses in the boom years is because none of these companies understood what worked and didn't work. Now they do. Things had been heading south on the bonus front well before UIGEA. That environment was completely unsustainable.

Speaking of unsustainable, you can forget about any chance that game quality will be like it was. Society at large is over the poker fad. While there might be a modest uptick in new players after regulation, there isn't going to be some huge stream of fish, and if there is, they'll be decimated quickly and efficiently by the legion of hungry, grizzled grinders that now exist who play 10 times better than the grinders of the boom years.

There will never be another poker boom the likes of what we had, for the same reason that there will never be another hula hoop or Garbage Pail Kids boom. It came about due to a cocktail of historical factors that can't be repeated. De-regulation will (maybe) improve things to some extent, but we'll never go home again.

All of these players waiting and hoping for Santa Claus to return can either get out of fantasy mode now or wait to be disillusioned live and in person, but reality is going to come calling one way or another. Get a job.
I agree with just about everything here except the Garage pail kids. They will return. . . THEY WILL!!!!!!

I think the part in bold is the most true statement. There are simply way to many good players out there. A true fish (an Any two cards kind of fish that was the norm back in the day) wouldn't stand a chance in todays games. They would go broke so fast and see very little to no entertainment value. The chance of a player like that returning more then twice is next to nothing.
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01-17-2010 , 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by joshrocker
I agree with just about everything here except the Garage pail kids. They will return. . . THEY WILL!!!!!!

I think the part in bold is the most true statement. There are simply way to many good players out there. A true fish (an Any two cards kind of fish that was the norm back in the day) wouldn't stand a chance in todays games. They would go broke so fast and see very little to no entertainment value. The chance of a player like that returning more then twice is next to nothing.
See you guys have it all wrong...

US players are restricted from playing on all the major reputable sites. We don't give two ****s about another poker boom, or all sorts of awful players to play against so we "can actually hit big or supersize our bankroll." It's about an open and FREE MARKET...
The big picture is ONLINE POKER for US players have been forced, basicly, underground.

We have to BS and angle shoot our banks to get money on and off sites.

We want an open market. Not to be forced to play on only 5 or 6 poker sites that leaves us completely vunerable to fraud and mistreatment of players....
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01-17-2010 , 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by tk1133
See you guys have it all wrong...

US players are restricted from playing on all the major reputable sites. We don't give two ****s about another poker boom, or all sorts of awful players to play against so we "can actually hit big or supersize our bankroll." It's about an open and FREE MARKET...
The big picture is ONLINE POKER for US players have been forced, basicly, underground.

We have to BS and angle shoot our banks to get money on and off sites.

We want an open market. Not to be forced to play on only 5 or 6 poker sites that leaves us completely vunerable to fraud and mistreatment of players....

I do get it. I think the government should keep their hands out of my life. Thats why i'm generally a republican but sadly the republicans have it all wrong about online gaming. I'm not sure what regulation means for poker. Taxes will eat a large chunk of our profits and i'm still waiting to hear if they're will be any other strange rules that come out. I think something needs to give because eventually the game will mostly die from enough banks refusing cash outs/deposits.
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01-17-2010 , 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by tk1133
US players are restricted from playing on all the major reputable sites. We don't give two ****s about another poker boom, or all sorts of awful players to play against so we "can actually hit big or supersize our bankroll." It's about an open and FREE MARKET...
The big picture is ONLINE POKER for US players have been forced, basicly, underground.
And who is responsible for this?

Hmm, let me see ... ah, yes, the US government.

And who is tk expecting to get involved in regulating poker to make everything good again?

Hmm, let me see ... ah, yes, the US government.


The triumph of optimism over experience.
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01-17-2010 , 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by qpw
And who is responsible for this?

Hmm, let me see ... ah, yes, the US government.

And who is tk expecting to get involved in regulating poker to make everything good again?

Hmm, let me see ... ah, yes, the US government.


The triumph of optimism over experience.
It's the way it is dude. Nothing we can do about it.

Unless you have millions of dollars for: campaign, endorsement, or "lobbying" for "certain politicians" or legislation, you won't have a hand or a say in anything that happens behind closed doors in Gov't unless your state calls on you, as a citizen, to vote. (or your tk1133, right Q?)

If the Gov't says we're banning online Poker b/c it violates the Wire Act, funds terrorism, money laundering and is downright corrupt, there will be no Online Poker for us. Do I agree with it? No, but it doesn't matter b/c the big picture (to them) is it compromises National Security.
So do we revolt and go underground, or start rallies and demonstrations by means of violence?
No. We do it the right way....Which is the only way...It shouldn't be this difficult to overturn a policy that attacks and violates our right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness....
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01-17-2010 , 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by tk1133
Unless you have millions of dollars for: campaign, endorsement, or "lobbying" for "certain politicians" or legislation, you won't have a hand or a say in anything that happens behind closed doors in Gov't unless your state calls on you, as a citizen, to vote.
Doesn't apply to you for a few years yet, I imagine.

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(or your tk1133, right Q?)
Do I own a tk1133?

I don't think so.

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If the Gov't says we're banning online Poker b/c it violates the Wire Act, funds terrorism, money laundering and is downright corrupt, there will be no Online Poker for us.
Well, it would need at least two governments to say that.

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It shouldn't be this difficult to overturn a policy that attacks and violates our right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness....
And yet it seems it is since you haven't managed yet.
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