Only counting WSOP Step 6s, I played a ton of them in 08, like maybe 500 or more, and probably like 50 of them in 09. The swings are pretty ridiculous in them; during the PCA ones I went something like 1 for 54 during a stretch. I am definitely up overall in them although I've been lazy about keeping track recently to know my roi. I don't think anyone has a big enough sample size to say much of anything...like stevie444 has probably played the most overall and I doubt he's played much more than 1000 of them.

hey jorg, you didnt play today :P

remember how i complained i ran like dog poop everytime I play with you...(routine -2k sessions) well I played a nice long session since u didnt join in and am +3k

i was joking about staying away from you whether its technical skill thats owning me or just psychological run bad....but I think I'm going to really do that now

If the players are worse in the 44s and 22s, why not just play those? Would it hurt your hourly rate that much to play those instead of the 87s and 212s?

His ROI would have to be twice as high at the 44's and 4 times as high at the 22's to make the same amoutn of money playing the 87's, since at his skill level it isn't really much easier effort wise to beat the lower ones as it is to beat the 87's, and they both will take around the same amount of time.

Yeah I decided to take a day off, last day I took completely off was like Jan 16 or something like that, although a few of those days were just 1 or 2 hour sessions. I need it though, I'm getting a little worn out. I should be fine by tomorrow though.

Because I make more $ per game in the 87s when you include vpps and stuff. Plus the 44s and 22s don't go all that often.

Yeah what you said.

youre not playing

and still no story

Oh yeah the story. I hope it doesn't suck now after all the buildup.

My second job was at Fry's grocery store. One day I was in the break room with a buddy of mine and he dared me to put a magazine in the microwave and set it to 99:99. So obviously since it was a dare and I was a young and stupid kid I couldn't refuse. So I do it and we both go downstairs back into the main part of the store. I really didn't think much about what would happen; I just thought it might melt or something.

So like 10 minutes later I notice smoke coming from the staircase leading to the break room and a bunch of employees huddled around it. Then a few minutes later a bunch of people from the fire department arrive to deal with it. I just keep trying to work and pretend I don't know what's going on but obviously I'm scared out of my mind wondering what I did.

Luckily the store doesn't catch on fire or anything and the fire department treats the smoke rather quickly, but the store reeked of smoke for a while after that. Then a couple hours later one of the managers comes up to me and tells me to go home for the day and come back in tomorrow at whatever time my shift was supposed to start.

At first I didn't think it was that big a deal, like I was just going to go back to work the next day and all would be ok. But then the next day came and I wasn't really sure what was going to happen. But I dressed up in my uniform just in case. So I get in and am about to clock in and they tell me not to clock in and to go into the manager's office. It was then that it finally hit me that I was probably screwed. So I get into the manager's office and my manager was waiting there along with a policeman. Uh oh. The manager then tells me that he doesn't know which one of us put the magazine in the microwave because there's no cameras in the break room but that he saw us both coming out of the break room just before the smoke started, so he knows it was one of us. I just sat there dead silent. I wasn't sure if I was supposed to admit to it or not but I was scared as hell. So anyway it turns out they were talking to the other guy into another room with a different police officer. The cop then starts talking about how we both could be charged with arson and all this stuff unless one of us fesses up to it. I still don't know what I should say.

Then another cop comes into the room and said the other guy said that I was the one who did it, so I finally fess up and tell them that I honestly meant no harm to the store but I just did something stupid. (It did occur to me that the other cop could have easily been lying to trick me but at that point I didn't really see what else to do.) Luckily they believe me when I say that I wasn't intentionally trying to burn the store down, and they say that there won't be any charges pressed. However I have to sign a bunch of papers saying my employment is terminated and that I'm permanently banned from going into any Fry's store for the rest of my life. At this point I'm just thrilled that I'm not going to be arrested.

So the manager leaves to go get the papers and I'm sitting there with the cop. His name is Dave Pratt. This probably means nothing to anyone not from Phoenix but the guy who is almost certainly the most famous radio morning show host in the history of Phoenix goes by the same name. So he asks me if I listen to Dave Pratt's show (the radio guy obviously, not him). I say yeah sometimes, he's pretty cool, whatever. I'm still so nervous at this point I really don't care what he's saying. He goes on to say how he's the other Dave Pratt's biggest fan and how he collects all these things having to do with the radio host, like figurines and autographed shirts. For some reason this struck me as really creepy in a stalkerish kind of way but obviously I'm not in a situation where I want to point that out to him. So for probably the next 10 minutes at least I have to listen to this cop talking about radio dj's and stuff while I'm sitting there wondering what to do with my life, and pretend to be interested in what he's saying. It was a really awkward moment to say the least.

Finally my manager comes back with the papers that I need to sign, so I sign them as quickly as possible and turn in my uniform and just get the hell out of there.

It was all for the best though because it finally gave me the motivation to look for a "real" job. I got a job at Motorola about a week later paying like 3x what that job paid.

i thought it was a good story

lol, TLF ,that took me 5 min

good story jorg..give us more plz

Good story to read while I was eating. Thanks for that.

Great!

thanks again for reporting those colluders. i always found fishnsharks to be irritating in chat, and he certainly gave the appearance of being an idiot - his avatar was perfect.

due to poor record keeping (letting many of my HHs auto-delete, having HHs spread over 3 computers etc) i have not yet found the games where collusion was occuring. was this going on for a long time? were they being really obvious about it with 3 and 4 left?

do you think your refund was sufficient?

This is the first one I ever found, the reason I found it was because I was 3 handed with 2 of the colluders and one of them folded in the sb when he would have only had to call 20 chips extra to the other one in the big blind twice in the same sng. So I did some more investigative work and it was completely obvious that they were colluding.

I reported it the first day that the other accounts were playing but they weren't banned for 2 weeks. This was frustrating but I later learned that it was quite a complicated case and they wanted to make sure that they weren't missing anything.

The refund was more than fair. After they were banned I went through my games with them and tried to estimate how much equity they stole from me. The refund I was given was about 20% more than that, so in the end I'm very happy with how Stars handled it, even though it ended up taking quite a bit of time.

Can you name names Jorj? Is it any regular that I'd likely know if you said their name?

I got a small refund, not sure how much I've played with the colluders though.

FishNSharks zimmerfree summerfl0w iforgothow

Pretty sure they were all the same person.

Well thanks for spotting it. I only recognize FishNSharks from that list.

It's been nice having one free spot on the table so far, please continue enjoying your break.

How do they go about with the reimbursements? I have games with them but I've never received anything...

If they were colluding the most damaging and hard to calculate equity loss is in satellites I'd think. Just a 10-20 chip difference causes people to fold or not to fold on the bubble.

haha, game theory cops, awesome

I shouldnt think about my lost equity ?

I don't really know the whole process, they don't really publicize it for obvious reasons, but probably they weren't colluding in your games. You probably only played with one of them at a time if I had to guess, or maybe you won the games you played when they were colluding.

I don't have my database on them, but the fact that I recognize their names means I must have played more than a few of them. I'm going to trust stars and not make a funk about it though, even though I feel their actions must have cost me some EV at the least.

I was happy to not see you today again, btw.

Yeah taking today off too, I did play a little last night though. Will definitely put in some hours tomorrow though because wife will be at work.

Oh by the way, blog is definitely coming within the next week or 2, will let everyone know when I start it up.