Welcome to VIP-Grinders.com and our sponsored thread! We are new to 2+2 as an advertising company but many of us have been visiting the board for years. With best regards to our loyal clients and partners!


Dear valued 2+2 members!

Today´s online poker environment requires a deep knowledge of the game and a dedicated personalized service to allow you to gain access to the softest games around. This is what we deliver. We are a group of super affiliates and passionate online poker professionals, mainly based in Europe, and in amicable touch with each other to provide you not only with the very best Rakeback Deals and Private Promotions but also with Legal Advice, Live Sponsorships, Coaching, Staking, Skrill & NETELLER Cashback and some other helpful stuff.

If you are a poker regular or affiliate yourself, we would love to get in touch with you. Please do not hesitate to contact us regarding our deals and promotions or really anything else, we are looking forward to hear from you!



Contact us today!

Mail: 2p2@vip-grinders.com
Skype: vip-grinders.2p2




• Personal 24/7 Live Support: We know player´s concerns and are available 24/7 in English, Russian and German!

• Rakeback Deals & Promotions: Well over 20 different networks (EURO, US & Asian facing, Italian and others) are supported and over $100k in monthly private promotions available!

• Live Sponsorship: Let us help you to get into live action!

• Skrill & Neteller Deals: Earn Cashback and get paid for transferring money!

• Staking: Seeking for a stake? Inquire today if you grind NL or PLO 6max/HU up to 5/10!

• Refer a Friend: Got a poker buddy you like to introduce?

• Affiliate Deals: Our partner list speaks for itself. Join our network today and benefit from above market standard conditions and first-class support!



Rewards is our very own and internal VIP scheme, designed and delivering extra value for our loyal and high valued clients. This means, when choosing any of those Rewards featured deals, you gain massive extra value.



VIP-Grinders Support Team
Mail: 2p2@vip-grinders.com
Skype: vip-grinders.2p2
www.vip-grinders.com

Have been working with those guys for years on all levels (player, sub affiliate, partner) and am very content with the relationship and can't complain about anything

Excellent customer service and professional management. Probably the best deals online and definitively one of the biggest affiliates around.

These guys are here long-term and I wish them all the luck in future business!

Hi guys

I have been working with VIP-Grinders for a couple years now, they are good people who you can trust. They understand poker and what players need. There is a large selection of deals on offer, with some great races also.

Can honestly say these are not only one of the biggest but certainly one of the best also.

Been with then for around 8 months, superb service and have in general been excellent to work with.

Been working with Andre (mastermind behind VIP-Grinders) for a year now. Can't spell any bad words about him, honest guy and good source for big rakeback. Go with him!

Good guys here

Beyond excellent customer service. Response times and quality are so incredible I switched from my previous slowly responding annoying provider just to enjoy being treated well. Overall extremely professional.

I've been with them for a couple of months. Awesome customer support and great service.

I have a history with VIP-Grinders going back maybe 5 years now. Go with them if:

• You want prompt, effective customer service in multiple languages
• You're interested in maximizing your rakeback and earning the highest you can
• You want to work with an affiliate who you know will protect your money at all times
• You want more than a rakeback deal, but an affiliate who provides a huge array of services to make your grinding life easier
• You want an affiliate who has influence all over the poker world and can place you nearly anywhere you want to play

Awesome response times, and very thorough information. I am very pleased about my relationship with them.

Been with them for quite some time; arguably the best customer service in the business. Extremely responsive, friendly and professional.
Strongly recommended.

I have been working (as a player) with them and actually they are the biggest affiliate that i know and they have more than good support that is ready to help you even in no working time...A professional partner for real !

"Guaranteed" player funds on the .IT networks. LOADS of people didnt get paid.

Liers, cheaters and stealers. Totally untrustworthy for large quantities of money.

PLEASE MORE PEOPLE POST ABOUT THIS. WE STILL HAVE NOT BEEN PAID!!!!!!!

been working with these guys for quite some time, were always friendly and helpful, even beyond the poker rooms themselves, def recommended

Dear valued 2+2 members!

Thanks for your comments and nice words, we appreciate it a lot.

@BackBlood: As you told us in Skype, you are speaking just on behalf of your friend here which is misleading when using your own 2+2 account. Kindly ask your friend to contact us directly and we will sort.

Best regards,

VIP-Grinders Support Team

I have been using VIP grinders for both my own action and for my players and they have been the most organized and reliable people I have dealt with in the poker industry. With up to date reports and the best deals you can find on the web I wouldn't bring my action anywhere else!!

I have had a great deal of customer support from the crew at VIP-Grinders, not to mention the good rake back deals. Thanks for the help guys.

These guys are doing great job and are trustworthy . I've got nothing but good words about my experience with them .

Keep up the good work .

- Louidge

unfortunately my only experience with vip grinders was to get affiliated for KickMyAcePoker which ended up in getting cheated for all my funds on that site

I can really vouch for Andre's professionality for years now!

@ownage4u: We really regret you faced this mess with Kickmyace and tried our best to avoid it but as you know, it was a subsidary of Goalwin and the entire company/skin folded back in the days, leaving both affiliates and players in the dark for months and we all ended up loosing cash there....

Obv we try to choose our partner sites wisely but even our hands are tight when they go down the toilet out of the blue. To be fair: Nobody would consider to blaim affiliates for FTP/PS goin down right, and I think thats a similiar case somehow.

If you want to go deeper into this issue, plz ping us on Skype.

Dear valued 2+2 Members!

we would like to introduce to you our upcoming Promotions in December:


#1 $30k December VIP Leaderboard: $2k added, 160 prizes paid now.

#2 $10k Exclusive Party & Bwin Race: $2,5k added and 60 prizes paid now.

#3 $20k Exclusive Coral Race

#4 €20k Betsafe/Betsson Points Race

#5 Exclusive William Hill Chase: continue running every month and offering an extra 7% bonus on contributed terms for players.

#6 Private Freerolls: $2,5k+ through various private freerolls in December (pw restricted).
Pls. check Schedule.


Dont hesitate to contact us via Skype and/or Email for further details and support.

Best regards,

VIP-Grinders Support Team
Mail: 2p2@vip-grinders.com
Skype: vip-grinders.2p2
www.vip-grinders.com

Let me explain my position a little better so it doesn't look like I am too hotheaded.

Vip-grinders used the word "guaranteed" on all players fund deposited for .it sites, as a means of trust for player to play on the site.

Later all the player funds were stolen. This was by no means their own doing.
Given that player funds were supposed to be guaranteed and if any circumstances like this should arise, the player should get paid back. I didn't happen to be a direct player, however was sharing bankroll equity with someone who was.

Vip-grinders obviously didnt forsee the possibility of this happening and had no way to pay their players. This is what I meant about lying. You drew players in under false pretenses and the players lost out. You had no means to pay them when you were responsible as an insurer. Basically a marketing freeroll.

To balance things out so I am not just showign the negative I have played on other sites via Vip-grinders ever since the early days when good old Danken was in charge, and was paid on for rake races. Their scheme works and is a great way to get extra rakeback. Just be careful with the site, and don't be mislead by the false vocabulary.

Dear BackBlood,

whilst we appreciate your feedback and comments, we have to clarifiy that there is not a single client from us not getting paid back as far as .it sites goes.

Moreover as a company we never guaranteed anything, and this is cleary outlined in our terms and conditions you can review here: https://vip-grinders.com/terms-and-conditions/

However it is true that some of our agents had privat deals with players and this is prb the confusing part here.

In any case we like to point out: Even it takes some while to settle everything, we put our best efforts to handle the case professionally and in good business manner. Those who are still owed monies, are receiving a monthly refund payment since this issue arised. Players who had serious financial issues because of the lack of monies, were paid completely right away. Over €150k were stolen and currently there is around €60k left to be paid back, so more than 50% was paid already and when settling the last tranche, we will pay some interest with due diligence, so essentially our clients did not loose anything when playing on .it sites through us.

We appreciate your understanding and hope you enjoy the Sunday grind!