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02-12-2009 , 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by fnord_too
I thought the stance was that partial VPP would be added later, like the March time frame, not when they rolled out the VIP changes. Is that a false memory or did I really read that late last year/early this year?
I am pretty sure your 100% right.

But this is the March rollout right? This changes are effective March?
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02-12-2009 , 08:12 PM
Scotty can you tell us if partial VPPs are still happening or not and if so what the general format will be.
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02-12-2009 , 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Viincent
I recently moved most of my money from Pokerstars to FullTilt. I am a 25NL player and I don't really have any reason to keep playing at stars. The 27% rakeback is way better at 25NL then the FPP system of pokerstars. If they add partial FPP's I might consider going back to stars, because their software and games are way better then FT's.
Unfortuately I agree....I LOVE playing at Stars...but I'm also a micro limit player and I do enjoy getting weekly "payments" at FTP.... fractional VPP will encourage me to play more at Stars to "buy" the bonus(es)
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02-12-2009 , 08:33 PM
So the increase in freeroll value means I should play it now? ugh

I still think whoever had the idea of making the SN freeroll a mega satty for the Sunday Million was the best idea so far. Even cash players like myself who hate donkaments wouldnt mind playing the million once in a while.

$75k would be ~350 seats to the Million.
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02-12-2009 , 08:40 PM
Damn, nothing for 6max players.
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02-12-2009 , 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Schwatt
So the increase in freeroll value means I should play it now? ugh

I still think whoever had the idea of making the SN freeroll a mega satty for the Sunday Million was the best idea so far. Even cash players like myself who hate donkaments wouldnt mind playing the million once in a while.

$75k would be ~350 seats to the Million.
And PS gets to collect $15 rake per entry. Works for both parties.
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02-12-2009 , 08:55 PM
wwwweeeeee
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02-12-2009 , 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by StrictlyStrategy
public service announcement: the plural for bonus is bonuses.

In other news the plural for virus is viruses.
Actually, since it's officially the Latin word for "good", the correct plural would be boni.
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02-12-2009 , 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Schwatt
So the increase in freeroll value means I should play it now? ugh

I still think whoever had the idea of making the SN freeroll a mega satty for the Sunday Million was the best idea so far. Even cash players like myself who hate donkaments wouldnt mind playing the million once in a while.

$75k would be ~350 seats to the Million.
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Originally Posted by GrouchySmurf
And PS gets to collect $15 rake per entry. Works for both parties.
And the tournament would be much shorter as it would be over as soon as the money was hit.

I kind of like this idea.

Allow players to use the ticket to any $215 tournament of their choice.

Anybody else like this or hate this?
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02-12-2009 , 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Schwatt
I still think whoever had the idea of making the SN freeroll a mega satty for the Sunday Million was the best idea so far. Even cash players like myself who hate donkaments wouldnt mind playing the million once in a while.

$75k would be ~350 seats to the Million.
+1
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02-12-2009 , 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by WinBig
I definitely like these changes since I am from the Silver/Gold Star level of players.

The change to Platinum means I could potentially reach that level in a month where I was able to put in a lot of volume.

My biggest concern with these changes is how this will impact the items in the VIP store. This concern was raised earlier in the thread and impacts all players. Even the SNE's. If all of the FPP prices for things like gift certificates go up then there really isn't much value for the average players. If the prices stay the same then this will have a LOT of value for a player like me who plays part-time at the lower limits. Please keep the prices the same. We are in a recession!

Thanks Stars for continuing to improve your site and the VIP program. Well done!

WinBig
teslafan1 on Stars

+1.

I could have written this. You saved me some precious keystrokes.
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02-12-2009 , 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Schwatt
So the increase in freeroll value means I should play it now? ugh

I still think whoever had the idea of making the SN freeroll a mega satty for the Sunday Million was the best idea so far. Even cash players like myself who hate donkaments wouldnt mind playing the million once in a while.

$75k would be ~350 seats to the Million.
+2
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02-12-2009 , 09:38 PM
step in the right direction with lower requirements for gold/sil/plat

i would like to see the attention mainly towards increasing casual players play. why not include 'special' bonuses that can be only used at the lower vip statuses that gives a little bigger than normal cash prize but cannot be withdrawn for a few weeks. something like this may increase incentive for casual players to keep playing and maybe play higher

also a 4x or something mulitplier at around 700k vpps should be a no brainer as it would give much incentive for many regs to up yearly volume by around 100k vpp
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02-12-2009 , 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by wufwugy

also a 4x or something mulitplier at around 500k vpps should be a no brainer as it would give much incentive for many regs to up yearly volume by around 100k vpp
FYP

My guess is only 5% of supernova's hit 500K mark last year.
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02-12-2009 , 10:35 PM
As someone who just moved all his play to HU There just aren't incentives for HU players and the HU games just aren't good enough to justify staying at Stars. I still <3 Stars to death, but the HU games are just so much more profitable on other sites.
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02-12-2009 , 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Scottyy
VIP program changes:

Supernova and Supernova Elite players will be able to retain their status
the following year until end of September provided they meet the current
play requirements. This will start now for the 2008 SN and SNEs.

Milestone bonuses will become cash credits. This means once a player hits
200,000 VPPs for 2009 he will be able to obtain a $2,000 cash credit for
50,000 FPPs, without a need to earn further 10,000 VPPs. That is not fully
automated yet, but we plan to enable players to buy these bonuses directly
from the VIP Store, so there won't be a need to wait for processing of the
bonuses as we have it now.

Scotty
Sorry I am complete VIP newb, Scotty can you or someone just clarify some things for me?

Does Supernova last for a set __ # of months once you make it? Or is it like Scotty said, from the day you make supernova to the end of Sept of the following year? So if I make Supernova on July 31st 2009, it ends Sept 31st 2010...for a total of 13 months at Supernova or if I make it on Dec 31st 2009 I would hold supernova until Sept 31st 2010 for a total of 9 months.

And do you we have to maintain a certain volume of play in order to keep it once we made Supernova?

And finally when you say milestone bonuses become cash credits. You mean that it becomes instant cash without the need to earn ___ # of VPPs in order to release it right?
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02-12-2009 , 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ekinnehs18
Sorry I am complete VIP newb, Scotty can you or someone just clarify some things for me?

Does Supernova last for a set __ # of months once you make it? Or is it like Scotty said, from the day you make supernova to the end of Sept of the following year? So if I make Supernova on July 31st 2009, it ends Sept 31st 2010...for a total of 13 months at Supernova or if I make it on Dec 31st 2009 I would hold supernova until Sept 31st 2010 for a total of 9 months.

And do you we have to maintain a certain volume of play in order to keep it once we made Supernova?

And finally when you say milestone bonuses become cash credits. You mean that it becomes instant cash without the need to earn ___ # of VPPs in order to release it right?

If you make supernova this year you will be supernova until Feb 2010. In order to maintain supernova in 2010 you need to earn at least 10K vpps each month, but you are allowed one month under 10k until the end Sept 2010. If you haven't earned 100k by the end of Sept 2010 you will revert back to whatever you earned in Sept alone.
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02-12-2009 , 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ekinnehs18
Sorry I am complete VIP newb, Scotty can you or someone just clarify some things for me?

Does Supernova last for a set __ # of months once you make it? Or is it like Scotty said, from the day you make supernova to the end of Sept of the following year? So if I make Supernova on July 31st 2009, it ends Sept 31st 2010...for a total of 13 months at Supernova or if I make it on Dec 31st 2009 I would hold supernova until Sept 31st 2010 for a total of 9 months.

And do you we have to maintain a certain volume of play in order to keep it once we made Supernova?

And finally when you say milestone bonuses become cash credits. You mean that it becomes instant cash without the need to earn ___ # of VPPs in order to release it right?
Once you hit Supernova (or SNE after that), you keep your status for the rest of the calendar year. Then, with the new changes, you also keep it until Sept. 31st the following year provided that you earn 10k VPPs each month from Jan-Sept (you're allowed to miss it one month). For SNE, you have to get at least 50k VPPs each month, again, allowing for one missed month.

And yes, the milestone bonus change means that when you hit a milestone, you pay the FPPs for the bonus and the cash is credited directly to your account, no need to clear it by earning more VPPs. Note that this is for milestone bonuses ONLY, not for VIP bonuses purchased through the VIP store.
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02-12-2009 , 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by DA TRUF!
Once you hit Supernova (or SNE after that), you keep your status for the rest of the calendar year. Then, with the new changes, you also keep it until Sept. 31st the following year provided that you earn 10k VPPs each month from Jan-Sept (you're allowed to miss it one month). For SNE, you have to get at least 50k VPPs each month, again, allowing for one missed month.

And yes, the milestone bonus change means that when you hit a milestone, you pay the FPPs for the bonus and the cash is credited directly to your account, no need to clear it by earning more VPPs. Note that this is for milestone bonuses ONLY, not for VIP bonuses purchased through the VIP store.
great thx for the reply. So just to clarify, using myself as an example.

I plan to make Supernova by July 31st 2009. So once I make it, I get to keep supernova until Dec 31st,2009. And I keep my supernova status regardless of how much I play between the time I make it and the end of 2009, whether I earn 2000VPPs or 9,000VPPs,etc,etc.

Then on the new year Jan1st, 2010...I get to keep supernova from Jan to Sept 2010...but I now have to maintain 10K vpps per month in order to keep my supernova status (allowing for one month exception).
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02-12-2009 , 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ekinnehs18
great thx for the reply. So just to clarify, using myself as an example.

I plan to make Supernova by July 31st 2009. So once I make it, I get to keep supernova until Dec 31st,2009. And I keep my supernova status regardless of how much I play between the time I make it and the end of 2009, whether I earn 2000VPPs or 9,000VPPs,etc,etc.

Then on Jan1st, 2010...I now have to maintain 10K vpps per month in order to keep my supernova status (with the one month exception of course).
Yes. If you earn 100k within any calander year, you could earn 0 vpps for the rest of the year and still maintain SN for the remainder of the year, as an extreme example. And you are correct about the 10k monthly, however you'd need to hit 100k total by the end of September to remain SN for 2010 without a break in your status.
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02-13-2009 , 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Rick Diesel
With these changes being effective March 1, if someone finishes February with between 7,500 and 10,000 VPPS, would they be considered a Gold or Platinum for March?
yo Scottyy this guy asks a great question. please answer it!
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02-13-2009 , 01:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Rick Diesel
yo Scottyy this guy asks a great question. please answer it!
I'd put my money on goldstar, since you earned the points in february and the changes aren't in affect until after february.
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02-13-2009 , 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Henry17
Like the changes. They are pretty much just tweaks.

Do not like the freeroll increase. Waste of money that could be better allocated. The freerolls cost over $4M a year -- cancel them and just randomly give 16 SNs $250k in some kind of raffle.
Disagree. The freerolls are better for the overall poker economy. Giving 16 SN's $250k will lead to 16 SN's promptly withdrawing atleast $200k each.

Spread that $4M out over tens of thousands of players over the course of the year and it leads to better games, and Stars getting part of their investment back in the form of rake.

The only exception to that being, is that if they lower their standards to include platinum players and I am one of the chosen to receive $250k. Then I support that option.
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02-13-2009 , 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Schwatt
So the increase in freeroll value means I should play it now? ugh

I still think whoever had the idea of making the SN freeroll a mega satty for the Sunday Million was the best idea so far. Even cash players like myself who hate donkaments wouldnt mind playing the million once in a while.

$75k would be ~350 seats to the Million.
Hadn't seen this, best idea yet imo
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02-13-2009 , 02:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Shoe
Disagree. The freerolls are better for the overall poker economy. Giving 16 SN's $250k will lead to 16 SN's promptly withdrawing atleast $200k each.

Spread that $4M out over tens of thousands of players over the course of the year and it leads to better games, and Stars getting part of their investment back in the form of rake.

The only exception to that being, is that if they lower their standards to include platinum players and I am one of the chosen to receive $250k. Then I support that option.
Ya, giving supernovas more money is going to improve the poker economy.


We are better off giving 4m worth of first depositor freerolls than having supernovas with more money.


Im really curious why stars is so stubbornly sticking to these freerolls that cost so much money, and so many people hate them.

I doubt the frerolls it self causes more than 5 people who were not supernovas actually think about playing enough to become a supernova. There are a ton of other ways this money can be spent to make casual players play more and pay more rake.
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