I'd put my money in these being the correct numbers.

Also, I'm getting 0.38VPP per hand at 100NL FR (my VPIP is 15)

At 2-4FL6MAX about 0.45VPP/hand 20K hands last 3 months

I pay about 2.15BB/100 hands in rake and get 0.64BB/100 hands back

At 3-6FL6MAX about 0.72VPP/hand over 50K hands last 3 months

I pay about 2.2BB/100 hands in rake and get 0.68BB/100 hands back

Calculated as a supernova converting at concierge rate, im about 10% under MGR at both levels

"Calculated as a supernova converting at concierge rate, im about 10% under MGR at both levels"

Ron - Are you implying that you think you are getting 90% rakeback?
I'm not sure what you mean by this.

.68/2.2 = 31% which appears to me to be what you are getting if your MGR figure is correct. That's a bit higher than I would expect for a limit 6-max player.

time for someone to compile a chart.

and my contribution:
5 fpps per 1$ in sng/mtt rake =)

You got it right on this one, and yep , for a TAG at 2-4/3-6SH I hang around the 30 percent without the milestones, hopefully I make it to 400,00Kand get pretty close to 50% yearly (30% from regular VPP's 15% from milestones and about 5% of added value of promos and such)

not always true i went under the new moneymaker wsop mtt's 3 dollar rake and it says u get 30 fpps.

Ron - What did you mean by "being under 10% MGR at all levels."
I don't understand that part.


Also, if you get to 400k VPP's I think that should only be an extra 10% for you. I believe it adds about 1/3 to your rakeback rate. Don't forget that you have to 'purchase' each milestone so you are really only getting $6750 or so if you get the 200k, 300k and 400k ones [$1250 + $2250 + $3350].

I also think that tacking on an extra 5% for other stuff might be generous unless you are really hyper about the weekly VIP freerolls and hit them every time as well as all the other VIP value-added tourneys such as 8-zillion Step 4 tickets tourney for Silver and up and those types of things.

By 10% under MGR I meant that my rake paid is %10 lower then my MGR (according to PT3 calculations)

Your right about the paying for the bonus I forgot about paying $750 for every bonus,

5% in a guestimate , I try and play the weekly tournamnets so thats like an extra 150-200 a month , other then that you have the Turbo takedown and double VPP week (major factor if it happens obv, the one day was already alot of fun)

I guess the 40-45 range might be more realistic,

Im keeping track anyway and ill have a bunch of totally useless numbers at years end because all the parameters will be different again next year...

I assume this was instructions for PT2. I as well have no idea how to do this in PT3, its been bothering me for a while.

I have two easy solutions for you.

Check how many VPP you made this month and check your total rake paid this month then divide (this is if you have one main stake)

If you play all kinds just open a table, play 500-1000 hands and check your point totals before and after , then just do accumulated point/number of hands

yes i realize I can do it that way but I play different limits, different games, and donkaments so that doesnt help me too much.

I know I can look after each session but iI was looking for a long term number so i can contribute to the thread.

I wasnt concerned about my rakeback percentage, I was looking for a vpp/hand number.

Ron - You're correct that it zips back up a few points if we all get to kill ourselves for 7-10 days or whatever if they do double-VPP's.

Your rake-paid being 10% lower than your MGR pretty much is the same thing as saying that your contributed rakeback is higher than your MGR rakeback I think. You are probably in the 50%+ range in contributed rakeback if it makes you feel any better.
But almost any multi-tabling grinder like that is likely to be higher on contributed rakeback since they typically play tighter than average at their tables.

cool, my mistake. I was the one derailing the thread.

Back to the subject!

you are a true asset to this community

NL $0.50 FR - .24

FR, fast tables - $0.25/.50 NL - silver star - 0.27 VPP/hand

Anybody has 6max plo 25-100 ?

I have been compiling this exact data from threads I have found, some of it is outdated but probably still close to correct?

6max NL Holdem
$.10/$.25 -
$.25/$.50 -
$.50/$1 - .35
$1/$2 - 0.48
$2/$4 - 0.58
$3/$6 - 0.64
$5/$10 -
$10/$20 -
$25/$50 -

Full Ring NL Holdem
$.10/$.25 - .11
$.25/$.50 - .27
$.50/$1 - .36
$1/$2 - .49
$2/$4 - .55
$3/$6 - .69
$5/$10 - .9226
$10/$20 -
$25/$50 -

Limit Holdem
$.10/$.20 -
$.25/$.50 -
$.50/$1 - .32
$1/$2 - .3719
$2/$4 -
$3/$6 -
$5/$10 - 1.232
$10/$20 - 1.56
$15/$30 -
$30/$60 -

Limit Holdem (6 max)
$.10/$.20 -
$.25/$.50 -
$.50/$1 -
$1/$2 -
$2/$4 - .47
$3/$6 - .71
$5/$10 - 1.1
$10/$20 - 1.4
$15/$30 -
$30/$60 -

NL 100 9 max .43 VPP 1.3 mil hands

200nl 6max = .52 - .54

.25/.50 NL FR: 0.21vpp/hand - 70k sample

NL 100 9 max ..383 VPP 240k hands

Play against bad players + raise to 4 = at least .41 VPP.

I've done the raise to $4 for the last 100k, it actually went down to .375. I table select. and have normal 14/10ish stats. It's a complete mystery to me.