So there I was sitting in a MTT minding my own business when I see "Congratulations to the latest Bad Beat Jackpot winner IAMCANDY who hit the jackpot on Tuesday, January 26 04:39:41 EST to the tune of $186619.16!" Curious I look up who won and not recognizing the name I shark scope him and see the following data, IAMCANDY 6 -$3 $6 -37% -$17 -50.

Does anyone else find it absolutley bizarre that some guy who has lost a whole 17 dollars and has played 6 games on his account on December 9th (granted thats all that is showing up) 5 five dollar sit n go's, and one 10 dollar heads up wins almost a quarter of a million dollars on a site that has already been slammed for having cheaters employed?. Not sure if its the same guy as on poker stars but like I said just kinda odd when you think about it, to me anyways.

No idea about that player, but I don't play there because they're ultra-shady. Not just the cheating scandal, but so many other things. If you're worried about them still, why do you play there?

solid detective skills op, search a sng tracking site to find out info on a cash game player... wp

lmfao

good thing OP didn't take a qaulifying bad beat in his tournament! he might of had a heart attack!!!

btw; http://www.pokertableratings.com/abs...earch/IAMCANDY

I try, and as I said in my post it was only covering sng's and I was not sure if he was the same as the guy off of FTP. And I still play there because I had a couple hundred dollars left on the site.

Maybe one of you could help me out with an argument I am having with my wife, I play in a B&M casino 3-4 nights a week in a low limit 2-5 NLHE game and my wife pointed out I rarely take the same beats as I do online. My answer was due to the ease of play for underage patrons coupled with the anonymity when you make an egregious play afforded online the chances of getting pocket aces cracked by 10-7 os jump exponentially, any thoughts on that?

Once again the lee I am sorry for being a less than stellar detective, but it still seems shady as hell.

Cheers.

Hey woodwall thanks for clearing that up, I'm sorry as I am really not all that familiar with the workings of the various tracking sites and games online, thanks again for pointing that out, I imagine he was quite happy with his win!

Cheers

While yes, I do agree UB is shady, but care to elaborate about why you think they are "ultra shady" and as mentioned in your post, not including the scandal obv. I've heard about them switching bonus terms without notice, but other than that what shady stuff is going on? My payouts are always quick, and the games are always soft.

I have a feeling some Twoplustwo'ers love to bash UB (while playing there) and tell others to stay away purely to keep UB a fish fest, which it is.

Not saying you are doing this Bobo, You seem like a straight up guy.

lol OP i dont really get the point youre trying to make.

guy wins the UB bad beat jackpot, then u look up his sit n spin stats? loll

Op, You see alot more hands online then you do in your casino-home game whatever it is. Maybe more hands means more beats?

OP....you do realize that there are people that play lotto every week for decades and never win and then there are people that play rarely (like when they see a big jackpot and win).......i wonder if regular lotto players think it's rigged when noobs win it....

OP fails so hard with every post.

Not just without notice, but retroactively. One day you have $300 in bonus you're clearing, the next day, oops, you have nothing! And it's not a mistake; CS refers everyone to their T&C's where it says they can change anything anytime. They've done this multiple times.

So..... APART from the scandal where they cheated their customers and change their bonus terms for existing customers, you want to know what makes them ultra shady?

Don't most of the rooms (maybe all) have this article in their T&C? That was one reason why I left PS last year, but I've found the same clause in UB's T&C, so I guess other rooms have that, too. Dunno exactly for FTP and others...?

Btw, another much more important reason to leave PS was the data scandal caused by PS' own poker school's employeers and their (obv successfully) attempts to camouflage the incident by lying to their users, censoring doubtful or anoxious postings and banning anend users. That's way worse than cancelling a bonus gift imo. (can be backed up even through this forums btw)

And the experience I made with the terribly slow and automated support at FTP, even concerning urgent account safety requests, didn't make me feel to be in good hands as well.

So I'd really like to know why you think UB was more shady than any other poker room. Some reasonable evidence?

Ahhh Portland. Been a long time since I've been to the skate park, under the burnside bridge. Wouldn't mind seeing Brooke at spyce again, and oh those food carts, how people love those food carts. I think I need to visit some people down there. It's a nice town.

grunch.... probably?

can always count on the anti UB trolls to save a completely retrarded thread

lol nice detective work on sharkscope

Yes, I think most of them do. But Cereus is the only site to use it with such impunity.

Is that supposed to mean there's been no reasonable evidence so far? LOL.

OK, I think I've typed this out a few times already, but I can never seem to find one of those posts when I want them. So here we go again.

I stopped playing on Cereus before the whole cheating scandal. They had terrible CS, and had made a habit of changing their bonus terms retroactively, which, BTW, is much worse than your description of "cancelling a bonus gift". People make deposits there on the understanding that, in return, they receive a bonus with certain terms and conditions. For a site to turn around afterwards and change those terms and conditions and apply them to a bonus they already gave, is extremely scummy IMO. They did this a couple of times pre-scandal, changing the clearance rates.

Then there was the cheating scandal. The one where they actually left a vulnerability in their software so that certain logins could see hole cards during play, something that is not needed and never should have been possible. Then they did everything they could to sweep it under the rug. Then when the evidence had finally piled up so high that they couldn't deny it any longer, they finally started sending out refunds. My understanding is that to this day, there are still people who claim they are owed money and that Cereus has never come clean with all the superuser account names.

But what really irks me about it all is how they've handled themselves since the scandal. If it were my company, and I was caught up in a nightmare scenario like that, I'd be bending over backwards to show how I was going to change things. Cereus never has IMO. Some people say their CS is good now; I'm not sure if that's just sample size or if it's really true. Some of their actions make me wonder.

So, what did they get up to last year?

• Changing their bonus deductions from rake (for those who have rakeback) to 50%, but taking it from the affiliates' commissions rather than from the rake like every other site does, resulting in an effective rake deduction of more than 100%. Of course none of the players or affiliates knew anything about this, and when confronted, Cereus changed things so they would instead deduct 100% from the MGR. When players ask about the change, all Cereus' CS tells them is that it was made at the affiliates' request, with no further explanation. This leaves players wondering why their affiliates would request greater deductions.
• Changing their system so antes no longer count as contributions for the purposes of point accumulation. Of course they don't give any advance warning of this change, and it applies to outstanding bonuses.
• Retroactively changing everyone's bonuses from non-expiring to 90 days. And not 90 days from the change, but 90 days from whenever they deposited for the bonus under the condition that it wouldn't have an expiry date. And, not that it would make a difference, but once again, no one is told. So players log on one day to find that hundreds or even thousands of dollars in bonuses they had pending are suddenly gone.
• A month later, they changed the bonus terms again, retroactively, to 60 days.

The good? Excellent cashouts. Apparently they have soft players. That's about it IMO. Now I can can see how that might be enough for some American players. They don't have a lot of choices, so while I wouldn't recommend it, I can understand to a certain extent why they might hold their nose and give it a go. But if you're like OP, and you're going to be looking over your shoulder all the time wondering if you're getting cheated, don't play there.

And if you're not American, there is no excuse to be playing there. Cereusly.

op your uhhhhh...not smart. and the reason you take more beats online is your seeing a zillllion times more hands per hour than live.

you don't get your aces cracked as much live because you only get them twice a month lol.

Thx Bobo Fett, I understand that much better now^^. Some of those points I just didn't know. I signed up there a month ago and I knew about the actual conditions and agreed to it. I also read a lot about the SU scandal, but I guess the prob that I'll be facing such a SU on UB - if still exist - is not verifiably bigger than on any other room.

Then, as you said, the cashouts are good and the players are soft, so I don't see my bankroll seriously threatened at all. I accepted the RB & bonus conditions because I'll gonna save a lot of money on UB. For sure I totally understand anybody being affected in those points; but so far I am not, so I keep playing there - from Germany^^.

But thx alot for the great explanation and warning, I'll keep my eyes open.

MicroBobs post above is spot on
I think it should be stickied somewhere for anyone who asks about UB.

great post Bobbo Fett
you only forgot that they changed their point system 1 month later that it became 2-5 (.25/.50 1 point for 2 raked hands than 10 raked hand for 1 point,1/2 1 point for a raked hand than 2 raked hand for a point)times harder just to collect the boni
so it became the hardest bonus to clear.
at leastfor every pokersite i ever played on

link?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/82...e-mail-620696/

It's been posted in the german forums cuz only german players (thousands of intellipoker users) were involved (afaik). But the code at post#10 should give you some info even if you don't understand german. The worst thing wasn't just the 'accident' itself (allthough it was definitely caused by stupid negligence) but effectively the behavior of PS and IP. Critical and anoxious posts in the IP forums have been deleted, and lots of regular users have been banned, instead to make sure their formerly trustful users are warned and cleared up. The entire story never came out, they graded it down and most of the donks believed them or didn't even be interested...

One interesting thing btw was the content of the data that got public; once you asked them before the accident they always denied to collect those data^^.

But I suppose any room management to behave sorta this way once they find themselves in such awkward circumstances, just because it works fine - they don't give a sh** on a couple of random users and they will get their rake anyway, so what. In result I don't see a reason why to trust PS more than UB. For sure I don't do opposite, so my decision where to play simply depends on where the players are weak, the cashouts are good and the rake is cheap.

Allthough, I am warned now, and once I get in trouble with UB for sure I will leave this room, too, just like I did on PS.