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02-10-2009 , 05:23 AM
...sometimes 8, but rarely 10. I had no problem going from 2 tables to 4 tables and then to 6 tables right away. However, I've been 6 tabling for a couple months now and I'm having trouble adding more. I even just bought full tilt shortcuts and while it makes life a helluva lot easier, I still can't get up to 10 tables and rarely 8. I have a 24" Samsung and a Dell 2001fp.

My eyes are very fast and I have never timed out. In fact when 6 tabling I hardly ever have to request time. For some reason though when I'm moving from screen to screen and everything is beeping and popping up my heart starts beating faster and I feel more stressed about acting right away even though I should have enough time. On top of that my eyes get tired faster.

Right now I have 6 tables w/ some overlap on my 24" and the rest are on the 20". What advice do you have to help me get to the next level?
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02-10-2009 , 05:33 AM
keep practicing incrementally adding tables until you are reallly comfortable..then add another.
also when the tables are bleeping, take a breath and focus on one at a time.
use insta-options as much as possible

could also try making the tables smaller and putting them on one scren so you dont have to look back and forth. (at least while you down around 12 tables)
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02-10-2009 , 05:37 AM
overlap is not a prob.

i 16 table fine on 17 inch

default full tilt size tables.

Also I never click auto for anything. IMO to high chance of missclick.

bottom line is: add 1 table at a time.
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02-10-2009 , 05:38 AM
Why can't you be happy at 6 and really work on your game and become a huge winner? 12 tabling and burning your eyes out for 2.5ptbb is going to be a lot worse on you mentally than 6 tabling at a 4-5ptbb winrate and playing longer sessions.

If you're really persistent on playing more tables, add a 7th, and when you get there comfortably, add an 8th. Don't buy into the hype of playing as many tables as you can.
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02-10-2009 , 05:41 AM
aslo,

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Originally Posted by thac
Why can't you be happy at 6 and really work on your game and become a huge winner? 12 tabling and burning your eyes out for 2.5ptbb is going to be a lot worse on you mentally than 6 tabling at a 4-5ptbb winrate and playing longer sessions.

If you're really persistent on playing more tables, add a 7th, and when you get there comfortably, add an 8th. Don't buy into the hype of playing as many tables as you can.

this is correct.

I thought I was the shiz when i played 16 tables. Looking back it was the dumbest 6-10 months spent in my poker career. I was a bad player to start off w/, and I beacme a really bad player after that stint.
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02-10-2009 , 08:50 AM
- as already said, add one table at a time. playing 10 when you're apparently not comfortable playing 8 is silly.

- maybe drop down a limit if you're getting stressed. playing for less monies for a while should help ease you into playing more tables as decisions will generally be easier and there's less at stake.

- screw adding more tables and concentrate on your game. if you want to become more profitable, you basically have a choice between adding more tables or improving your game and moving up (or some degree of both of course). if adding more tables is troublesome, try the latter. while i'm comfortable playing 10-12 tables, it can be pretty soul destroying at times, and at these times i wish i was just better at poker so i didn't need the large volume to make any sort of reasonable profit.
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02-10-2009 , 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by thac
Why can't you be happy at 6 and really work on your game and become a huge winner? 12 tabling and burning your eyes out for 2.5ptbb is going to be a lot worse on you mentally than 6 tabling at a 4-5ptbb winrate and playing longer sessions.

If you're really persistent on playing more tables, add a 7th, and when you get there comfortably, add an 8th. Don't buy into the hype of playing as many tables as you can.
Well said its like a drug everybody wants more.
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02-10-2009 , 01:22 PM
Instead of using two monitors and spreading them out try using one and stack your tables that way your not looking all over the place. It helped me learn to play more tables.

Last edited by batair; 02-10-2009 at 01:28 PM.
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02-10-2009 , 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
Instead of using two monitors and spreading them out try using one and stack your tables that way your not looking all over the place. It helped me learn to play more tables.

+1

I was stuck at 6 or 7 for a long time. Then I discovered Auto HotKeys, and the stacked method. I now play 16 and getting ready to add more.

With the tables stacked, your eyes are not constantly scanning the whole screen, and your mouse movements are minimal. I also recommend moving your taskbar to the left side of the screen instead of the bottom.

read belok's blog about mass multi tabling. http://cainisabel.com/2008/05/24-tab...-a-pro-part-i/
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02-10-2009 , 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by john voight
overlap is not a prob.

i 16 table fine on 17 inch

default full tilt size tables.

Also I never click auto for anything. IMO to high chance of missclick.

bottom line is: add 1 table at a time.
camtasia one of your session plz
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02-10-2009 , 05:36 PM
forget about multitabling and stick to 2-4 tabling, you will jump up the limits easier and in the long run make more money

or you could learn to 24 table and be stuch at 1-2 nl for the rest of ur life
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02-10-2009 , 07:18 PM
If I'm thinking right, you are playing FR, usually 1-2. So it's hard to get a big edge, and it's hard to move up much further without switching to short handed. So it makes good sense to me to push the table count, confirrm good winrate over big # hands, and build bankroll.

Put all the tables on the 24", the lobbies and stuff on the smaller monitor. Set the table size in FTSC to 640x400. Probably this will not disable anything you're using for cash games (it wouldn't for me). Alternatively, change your monitor resolution to 1920x1440; desktop will scroll slightly, and you can have 640x??? standard aspect ratio tables. Third alternative is 1920x1200 with 640x??? tables with the bottom 2 rows overlapping vertically. See which you like best. 9 tables on 1 screen. If you think of going past 9, then get a bigger monitor. Don't play stacked. There's just not enough time to notice stack sizes and other things you need to maximize your edge in FR.
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02-10-2009 , 10:20 PM
Practice.

A 30" might help.
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02-17-2009 , 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by thac
Why can't you be happy at 6 and really work on your game and become a huge winner? 12 tabling and burning your eyes out for 2.5ptbb is going to be a lot worse on you mentally than 6 tabling at a 4-5ptbb winrate and playing longer sessions.

If you're really persistent on playing more tables, add a 7th, and when you get there comfortably, add an 8th. Don't buy into the hype of playing as many tables as you can.
Thanks for the advice everyone. I want to maximize my profit potential. If I make more at .5-1nl playing 15 tables than I would at 5-10 playing 2 tables that's fine w/ me. I don't want to be the best player in the world and I've got nothing to prove. I just want the $$. I'm all about picking the low hanging fruit and am a nit (perhaps to a fault) about game selection which is one reason I might never be a mass tabler and maybe that's fine. I can't sit around w/ 8 people whose VPIP is 10% or less. I make sure to only play when I feel good and don't want to burn myself out. I take a couple days off every week to recharge and I always am anxious to get back to "work."

I tried playing 10 tables once and after about half an hour I realized that wouldn't work. I just could NOT even come close to keeping up. I am a consistent 3.25bb/100 and up winner over the last few years (depending on the limits I play) and poker has been my only income for about 5 years.

Ever since I added more and more online play into my game I always wondered if it was better to play as many tables as possible or is it better to play 6 like I am now like you suggest? There has to be a point of diminishing returns and I guess the only way for a person to find that out is to learn for themselves.

For me I agree that the best way to go about it is to add one table at a time.

How much game selection do you people use that play 6 and more tables? I won't play in a game (full ring) if there aren't at least 3 players whose VPIP is 25% or more and I really prefer to have position on them.

edit: perhaps I'd rather be at a table full of nits instead of a table full of 18%ers since the nits are much less tricky

Last edited by otter; 02-17-2009 at 01:15 AM.
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02-17-2009 , 02:36 AM
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Originally Posted by thac
Why can't you be happy at 6 and really work on your game and become a huge winner? 12 tabling and burning your eyes out for 2.5ptbb is going to be a lot worse on you mentally than 6 tabling at a 4-5ptbb winrate and playing longer sessions.

If you're really persistent on playing more tables, add a 7th, and when you get there comfortably, add an 8th. Don't buy into the hype of playing as many tables as you can.
This. Work on improving your game and increasing your winrate. Unless you are playing for rakeback..then carry on.
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02-17-2009 , 02:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Transa
camtasia one of your session plz
arright, once i get my computer up and running, I will do a 20 minute video or something.

They play will be bad(ish), the analysis will be minimal, and ill prolly play NL50, maybe a belnd of NL50 and NL100. but watev... hopefully it will prove that multitabling is not cool unless you can multitable AND crush!
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02-17-2009 , 02:58 AM
Get a 30 inch and turn sounds "off" except for alert warnings.
For 8 tabling, I used to use two 22 inchers and have found a lone 30 one is infinitely better for my eyes.
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02-17-2009 , 09:41 AM
I use two 1600x1200 monitors to 6-8 table £100 or $200 tables (6 max) without overlap.

Whether I play 6 or 8 depends on what the tables are like. If some are short or full of more 'action' players then I need to concentrate more and don't add the 7th & 8th.

If things are more straightforward and I'm doing well then I add the last two.

I leave if I get HU vs anyone who isn't a donkey or if the only folks left on the table are decent regs.
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02-17-2009 , 11:13 AM
I just got a new computer and it has two monitors hooked up. I just moved up from 6 to 8 tables. It seems the same to me, so far. Obviously, I need more sets under my belt before making a decision to move up or move down...
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