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05-06-2008 , 05:41 PM
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What if, given this situation the player had simply lost the money at a heads up table? Would it then be refundable??
No. Why would that be any different?
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05-06-2008 , 05:42 PM
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I don't understand with all the money spent on promotions and software updates, something as simple as an IP lock in place is not an option anywhere.
agree...FT and stars are making an absolute killing...you would think they would want to protect their customers and their product
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05-06-2008 , 05:43 PM
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No. Why would that be any different?
Because the whole thing about 'chip dumping'....

I mean, I guess what I'm really asking is who and how do they determine whether it was a chip dump or not?

If he had lost the money at a heads up table would they have been more likely to deem it chip dumping and refund it??
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05-06-2008 , 05:52 PM
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I mean, I guess what I'm really asking is who and how do they determine whether it was a chip dump or not?
There are patterns they can look at in the hand histories - patterns that wouldn't make sense if the hacker wasn't dumping chips. For example, the hacker raising 90% of his stack preflop and then folding to a shove is not something a legitimate player would ever do.

In this case, it looks like the hacker was just "joyriding" on this account and ran bad - both hand histories provided are clearly legitimate play, not chip dumping.
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05-06-2008 , 05:53 PM
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Do not let our denial of reimbursement function as any slight to you as
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****
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05-06-2008 , 05:54 PM
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"However, please know that compromised accounts are never the result of any security issues on the part of Full Tilt Poker."

Good to know that their security is completely impenetrable.

It looks like the hacker at least tried to play realistically. So, I don't see any way for full tilt to get you your money back. Tough break.
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05-06-2008 , 05:58 PM
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Calgary PD has told me to go file a report w/ the local PD and to call a # about internet fraud in the area. I called them and filed a report, but they basically said thanks for the call & give us the IP so we can add it to a blacklist - but we cant help you in any way.

I am about to go to the local police department. Does everyone think this is an OK idea?

Bad enough that I am out $2,000, dont want to get arrested to top it off...
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05-06-2008 , 06:21 PM
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I looked up the IP using a different website and now I'm getting Shaw but in Nanaimo BC.
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05-06-2008 , 06:23 PM
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I looked up the IP using a different website and now I'm getting Shaw but in Nanaimo BC.
yup, got it too. www.ip-adress.com
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05-06-2008 , 06:25 PM
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Yes Nanaimo is correct. Calgary was showing up because that is where Shaw's headoffice is. Sorry my mistake,
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05-06-2008 , 06:28 PM
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find him and steal your money back and burn his house down in the middle of the night imo
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05-06-2008 , 07:12 PM
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this is BS
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05-06-2008 , 07:27 PM
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hackers run bad.
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05-06-2008 , 07:32 PM
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Quote:
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Because the whole thing about 'chip dumping'....

I mean, I guess what I'm really asking is who and how do they determine whether it was a chip dump or not?

If he had lost the money at a heads up table would they have been more likely to deem it chip dumping and refund it??
what are they gonna do though? if they reimbursed in cases like this, what's to stop me from giving you my login info, and then you freerolling with my money?
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05-06-2008 , 07:36 PM
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Yes Nanaimo is correct. Calgary was showing up because that is where Shaw's headoffice is. Sorry my mistake,
For the record not sure if Nanaimo is correct. When I signed up on pocket fives quite awhile back (they would automatically fill in you location based on ip) my IP was detected as being in Nanaimo as well (I also use shaw) but I am on east coast.

Just something to keep in mind.
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05-06-2008 , 07:40 PM
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I seriously doubt a police department in Maryland is going to give a damn that you got 2k jacked on ftp. You won't get in trouble or anything but it is just a waste of time.
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05-06-2008 , 08:45 PM
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05-06-2008 , 09:31 PM
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I seriously doubt a police department in Maryland is going to give a damn that you got 2k jacked on ftp. You won't get in trouble or anything but it is just a waste of time.
qft
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05-06-2008 , 09:34 PM
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Because the whole thing about 'chip dumping'....

I mean, I guess what I'm really asking is who and how do they determine whether it was a chip dump or not?

If he had lost the money at a heads up table would they have been more likely to deem it chip dumping and refund it??
Quote:
Originally Posted by stickdude
There are patterns they can look at in the hand histories - patterns that wouldn't make sense if the hacker wasn't dumping chips. For example, the hacker raising 90% of his stack preflop and then folding to a shove is not something a legitimate player would ever do.

In this case, it looks like the hacker was just "joyriding" on this account and ran bad - both hand histories provided are clearly legitimate play, not chip dumping.
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what are they gonna do though? if they reimbursed in cases like this, what's to stop me from giving you my login info, and then you freerolling with my money?
qft

Yes, I suppose a heads up table would be a more likely place for a chip dump. But FTP can't afford to do anything about it, like I said. It should be really obvious why they can't refund in these types of situations. It was discussed in the e-mail from FTP and also multiple times in this thread. So suggesting that they should refund the money if it was lost on a heads up table doesn't make any sense.
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05-06-2008 , 09:56 PM
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God, I would be so tilted if the evidence required to nail whoever stole my $$ would be ridiculously easy to obtain but the department just doesn't give enough of a **** to call the cable company.
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05-06-2008 , 10:05 PM
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Browsing this forum over the past few years I estimate purely from my own memory that probably 8/10 of these kinds of cases are on FTP. Anyone agree?
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05-06-2008 , 10:20 PM
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i really dont understand this hacker. what was he going to do with the money if he won?
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05-06-2008 , 10:22 PM
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totally sucks, hope it wasn't your roll!

FTP really has to add more security fast.
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05-06-2008 , 10:23 PM
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i really dont understand this hacker. what was he going to do with the money if he won?
Just leave it in his account as a special surprise. Like a poker tooth fairy.
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05-06-2008 , 10:24 PM
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i really dont understand this hacker. what was he going to do with the money if he won?
The intent was to put in some cover play so that it wasn't an obvious dump. Eventually he would have dumped it off to someone. He just got screwed before he had a chance. He figured he was going to double the money and get a bonus but instead he lost it all.
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