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01-02-2014 , 09:50 PM
So I played this hand today:





    Merge, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #22038621

    MP1: $49.85 (99.7 bb)
    MP2: $45.82 (91.6 bb)
    MP3: $58.96 (117.9 bb)
    CO: $50.67 (101.3 bb)
    BTN: $56.24 (112.5 bb)
    SB: $34.28 (68.6 bb)
    Hero (BB): $56.71 (113.4 bb)
    UTG+1: $55.69 (111.4 bb)
    UTG+2: $50 (100 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with Q 6
    3 folds, MP2 calls $0.50, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.50, SB completes, Hero checks

    Flop: ($2) 6 4 8 (4 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $2, MP2 raises to $6, 2 folds, Hero raises to $17, MP2 calls $11

    Turn: ($36) A (2 players)
    Hero bets $36, MP2 calls $28.32 and is all-in

    River: ($92.64) A (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: $92.64 pot ($4 rake)
    Final Board: 6 4 8 A A
    MP2 showed T 7 and lost (-$45.82 net)
    Hero showed Q 6 and won $88.64 ($42.82 net)



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    Yeah, Q6o. Wow, I must be a fkn donkey, right? Here's the thing: while the hand was playing out in real time, my hand was 66!!! I distinctly remember looking at my hand, thinking about raising, checking out limpers stats, and deciding to check my option. I had pocket sixes, I'm sure of it.

    I'm 99.9% certain that my cards during the hand were different than the hand that was recorded in HEM. It's possible that only my view was affected because, after the hand, other players were all "WTF?" and I was like "What? Standard", and they were like "Donkey!".

    Is it possible that there was some sort of glitch in the software? It worked out alright, but if I had lost there to a river 7 I'd be royally pissed. Think I'm going to email the HH to Merge and see what they think...
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    01-02-2014 , 10:00 PM
    i've been known to play hands, every street, thinking i had something else
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    01-02-2014 , 10:58 PM
    The human eyes can do some really odd things when you're tired, so it was probably that. I know I've X/R'd thinking I had a set only to see I had bottom pair.
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    01-02-2014 , 11:02 PM
    I would think they were calling MP2 donkey for calling the turn shove....
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    01-03-2014 , 12:14 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dugthefish
    So I played this hand today:





      Merge, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #22038621

      MP1: $49.85 (99.7 bb)
      MP2: $45.82 (91.6 bb)
      MP3: $58.96 (117.9 bb)
      CO: $50.67 (101.3 bb)
      BTN: $56.24 (112.5 bb)
      SB: $34.28 (68.6 bb)
      Hero (BB): $56.71 (113.4 bb)
      UTG+1: $55.69 (111.4 bb)
      UTG+2: $50 (100 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with Q 6
      3 folds, MP2 calls $0.50, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.50, SB completes, Hero checks

      Flop: ($2) 6 4 8 (4 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $2, MP2 raises to $6, 2 folds, Hero raises to $17, MP2 calls $11

      Turn: ($36) A (2 players)
      Hero bets $36, MP2 calls $28.32 and is all-in

      River: ($92.64) A (2 players, 1 is all-in)

      Spoiler:
      Results: $92.64 pot ($4 rake)
      Final Board: 6 4 8 A A
      MP2 showed T 7 and lost (-$45.82 net)
      Hero showed Q 6 and won $88.64 ($42.82 net)



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      Yeah, Q6o. Wow, I must be a fkn donkey, right? Here's the thing: while the hand was playing out in real time, my hand was 66!!! I distinctly remember looking at my hand, thinking about raising, checking out limpers stats, and deciding to check my option. I had pocket sixes, I'm sure of it.

      I'm 99.9% certain that my cards during the hand were different than the hand that was recorded in HEM. It's possible that only my view was affected because, after the hand, other players were all "WTF?" and I was like "What? Standard", and they were like "Donkey!".

      Is it possible that there was some sort of glitch in the software? It worked out alright, but if I had lost there to a river 7 I'd be royally pissed. Think I'm going to email the HH to Merge and see what they think...
      Had something similar happen to me in a tourney last night. BB Qh Qs- which I call Queen Esther. Clicked on 2nd table to click pre-flop action. Back to BB QQ. Still there but action not to me yet. Back to 2nd table where I acted on hand. Return to 1st table and now have Qh As. Confused. Look @ chat log and shows Qh As. 3bet pre and end up winning hand but 99% sure I had Queen Esther and Qh. I've misread cards before, but not a painted and non paint card and not after verifying hand 2x. Strange. Just sayin.
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      01-03-2014 , 12:57 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by running
      I would think they were calling MP2 donkey for calling the turn shove....
      He actually made the right call as the slight favorite. I found the hand when I was doing my post session review, and I couldn't figure out how I was a BI above EV. I wonder how often this happens and no one notices...

      Also, I was maybe an hour into my session, had just cleaned my contacts, and was fresh as a rose. Didn't even have a full slate of tables. I also checked my HH log on HEM, I didn't have any other action hands going to distract me. Like I said, I'm 99.9% sure I had pocket sixes. I've misread hands before: A4, 3bet, and "oh ****". I've never missed anything like this in several million hands, and if I wasn't sure, I wouldn't have posted a thread about it.
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      01-03-2014 , 01:34 AM
      against your exact hand yes. but unless he can see your cards...
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      01-03-2014 , 02:09 AM
      How many tables were you playing?
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      01-03-2014 , 03:47 AM
      sick brag about post session review
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      01-03-2014 , 04:04 AM
      Sometimes tables don't refresh properly and you see cards from the previous table. If you were stacking tables i'd assume that was the problem. With time you'll learn to spot it.
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      01-03-2014 , 05:16 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by CabMakio
      Sometimes tables don't refresh properly and you see cards from the previous table. If you were stacking tables i'd assume that was the problem. With time you'll learn to spot it.
      Yeah, I had a nice computer that burned itself out a few weeks ago. My backup computer has been an old Pentium 4. I never had a problem before but now if I stack tables sometimes my hole cards are wrong. Even if I move the table off to the side the hole cards remain wrong. If I resize the table everything returns to normal. But I've played several hands with the wrong cards. I think using software helpers aggravates the situation.

      On one hand I went all in from early position with Q3 and beat KK. I got a real earful from the rest of the table.

      Until I get my new computer I'm not going to stack tables. Tiling tables hasn't caused me any problems.
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      01-03-2014 , 05:40 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by SantaCruz
      Yeah, I had a nice computer that burned itself out a few weeks ago. My backup computer has been an old Pentium 4. I never had a problem before but now if I stack tables sometimes my hole cards are wrong. Even if I move the table off to the side the hole cards remain wrong. If I resize the table everything returns to normal. But I've played several hands with the wrong cards. I think using software helpers aggravates the situation.

      On one hand I went all in from early position with Q3 and beat KK. I got a real earful from the rest of the table.

      Until I get my new computer I'm not going to stack tables. Tiling tables hasn't caused me any problems.
      I'm also running an older computer (purchased in 2007) so I assume that's the problem. Minimizing/maximizing the table is my go-to solution. It is a relatively rare problem for me though, maybe once every few thousand hands. Usually I can spot it but who knows how many times I've missed it.

      What are these software helpers you speak of?

      Last edited by CabMakio; 01-03-2014 at 05:47 AM.
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      01-03-2014 , 05:54 AM
      Primarily Stack and Tile seems to aggravate it. Although I'm not blaming Stack and Tile since I realize my computer just isn't cutting it.

      For me the problem is a lot more severe. Probably about one out of 20 hands when I stack the tables.
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      01-03-2014 , 09:28 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by jrod
      How many tables were you playing?
      Probably 8-10. 16 is my max, with 12 being my sweet spot.

      Quote:
      Originally Posted by CabMakio
      Sometimes tables don't refresh properly and you see cards from the previous table. If you were stacking tables i'd assume that was the problem. With time you'll learn to spot it.
      Ok, I can buy this. I'm also running an older desktop, and I do generally stack tables; but I don't stack tables. I just manually place them on top of each other, to keep 50NL tables segregated from 25/10 tables. If I auto-stack, I get a perfectly neat pile of mixed tables; if I manually stack, they're never lined up perfectly. I would think I'd be able to tell, but maybe not.

      What are the clues to being able to spot it? Other than "Oh, pocket sixes" -------> "where'd my pocket sixes go? Must be slow refresh"
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      01-03-2014 , 06:15 PM
      I don't think there is any easy way to tell if the hole cards are real or not. Although for me, it seemed that the tables became sluggish whenever it happened. So I kind of had a feel when things were right or not. If I hovered my mouse over any edge of the table and click it would do the same as resizing the table and clear out any problems. I think that it's most likely that the problem is actually related more to the age of the graphics card than the age of the computer.
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