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04-16-2015 , 09:06 AM
Hitman Harvey is now Banned and his profile removed.

Online Poker is now cleaner and healthier for it.

Overall a great result for player pressure. I have a feeling the result would have been very different without 2plus2 forum pressure.


p.s. I hear Paracetamol is on suicide watch
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04-16-2015 , 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by InnocentRV
One Positive!!
You have made a HitWife Very Happy!! Thanks!! Xx

I Move on...
HitSquad remains Positive & Strong.


I REMOVED ALL THE WAFFLE



Bye & GL
If my Auntie had Bollocks she would be my Uncle.... bye... gl....
are you still the captain?
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04-16-2015 , 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by SkinnyP
It's not the best advertisement for his "Legal Team".
Haha, Mr Blobby and Lionel Hutz from the Simpsons.
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04-16-2015 , 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by part-timer
Hitman Harvey is now Banned and his profile removed.

Online Poker is now cleaner and healthier for it.

Overall a great result for player pressure. I have a feeling the result would have been very different without 2plus2 forum pressure.


p.s. I hear Paracetamol is on suicide watch
Would've worked better with "Paracetamol has a headache"
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04-16-2015 , 09:30 AM
If..........
A couple of guys didn't try to cheat loyal sky customers out of their hard earned money
Rvs reputation would not be in tatters!...
Sorry could think of lots of verses and couldn't be arsed copying and pasting somebody else's work..gg wp
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04-16-2015 , 09:51 AM
I wasn't going to post again but this is another example of an innocent man being persecuted.

I think Dave's response on here shows that he is an honest and trustworthy guy. He came on here and denied cheating just as he did on the Sky forum (after deleting his confession) and even with Sky refusing to accept the evidence he STILL gets banned. So Sky have said that they do not accept the evidence against Dave but he still gets banned. This is not right at all and makes no sense.

Dave is a good guy and he will continue to play poker. As he says he will "See you around". I know there will be some of you that will think he has just been given a new name and account by Sky to let this blow over, keep the Hitsquad happy and to just end the drama but that's stupid. Why would Sky do that? I don't care that this is the biggest scandal to hit the site since the last one and that Dave's team must make up a fair % of the sites rake, there is NO way that they would do that. You would need a lot of influence and friends in high places for that to happen so don't be so stupid. It's your faults that this has happened but it won't affect anyone at all.

The Hitsquad are too successful when they play together to just disband. They are bigger than that. They will continue to play on Sky, they have a heavy presence on Coral and as Dave plays somewhere else they will play with him. I promise you that when there are Squaddies playing in an MTT, they will do well because they are winners!

This is a travesty for poker. Sky have been bullied into banning someone when there is NO VALID EVIDENCE to prove it.

This is a joke. I hope you are all proud of yourselves but you are foolish to think that this is the end of Dave Harvey on Sky, I'm sure he will appeal and win.

Last edited by Paracetamol; 04-16-2015 at 10:00 AM.
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04-16-2015 , 09:57 AM
You keep banging on about how he confessed to cheating then deleted his confession.

You think that makes it ok?

Using your logic if I do something unlawful I can just admit it and then remove my confession making it ok.

Get a grip of yourself.
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04-16-2015 , 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Paracetamol
I wasn't going to post again but this is another example of an innocent man being persecuted.

I think Dave's response on here shows that he is an honest and trustworthy guy. He came on here and denied cheating just as he did on the Sky forum (after deleting his confession) and even with Sky refusing to accept the evidence he STILL gets banned. So Sky have said that they do not accept the evidence against Dave but he still gets banned. This is not right at all and makes no sense.

Dave is a good guy and he will continue to play poker. As he says he will "See you around". I know there will be some of you that will think he has just been given a new name and account by Sky to let this blow over, keep the Hitsquad happy and to just end the drama but that's stupid. Why would Sky do that? I don't care that this is the biggest scandal to hit the site since the last one and that Dave's team must make up a fair % of the sites rake, there is NO way that they would do that. You would need a lot of influence and friends in high places for that to happen so don't be so stupid. It's your faults that this has happened but it won't affect anyone at all.

The Hitsquad are too successful when they play together to just disband. They are bigger than that. They will continue to play on Sky, they have a heavy presence on Coral and as Dave plays somewhere else they will play with him. I promise you that when there are Squaddies playing in an MTT, they will do well because they are winners!

This is a travesty for poker. Sky have been bullied into banning someone when there is NO VALID EVIDENCE to prove it.

This is a joke. I hope you are all proud of yourselves but you are foolish to think that this is the end of Dave Harvey on Sky, I'm sure he will appeal and win.
lol
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04-16-2015 , 10:04 AM
"The hitsquad are just too successful when they play together to just disband".

Exactly and that is why this thread is here, because people are playing as a team in a game designed for individuals. Simply put, if Dave didn't collude, he wouldn't be banned. However, he did, he admitted it, there is proof for everyone to see and he has to accept his punishment now that we have one of the cheats off of the site.
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04-16-2015 , 10:07 AM
Hi all,

I am young_gun from skypoker, also a member of hitsquad tem and i just wanted to clear up some things.

I have been part of hitsquad from when it started, one of the first 10 to join.

I have met Dave in person and do not feel he would intentionally cheat, he is the sort of person who would help anyone and is a good guy.

Most of you would have already come to your own conclusions, but although his account has been suspended that does not mean he is guilty.

Personally i feel it was an honest mistake and to me it looks like it is after the hand.

In this said tournament , the reason we do well consistently is possibly due to higher numbers than the other teams, also it could be due to better players here and there but that's always going to be debatable.

At no point in my time at Hitsquad have i ever questioned Dave's Intergrety or the team otherwise i certainly wouldnt be there. On that note in our facebook group or anywhere else i have never witnessed any form of order or advice to soft play/play together.

I cant comment on the smear campaign/trap arguement as i dont know anything of it.

I have tried not to comment (Sort off as i couldnt find my old account on here and different email address now)
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04-16-2015 , 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Paracetamol
He came on here and denied cheating just as he did on the Sky forum (after deleting his confession) and even with Sky refusing to accept the evidence he STILL gets banned. So Sky have said that they do not accept the evidence against Dave but he still gets banned. This is not right at all and makes no sense.
Your right that it makes no sense.

Why would he confess, delete said confession, and think it would be treated as if he said he hadn't colluded when he actually had? That doesn't make any sense at all.

Coral were mentioned as an alternative site where the team play collusion will continue. I think a well placed e-mail to their poker department pointing to this thread and the one on the Sky forum makes sense.

Funny 'Team Hit Squad' (The whole concept feels like something made up on a playground) don't play on sites where collusive play is picked up as a matter of course (as well as reactively).
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04-16-2015 , 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Johnjon1987
Hi all,

I am young_gun from skypoker, also a member of hitsquad tem and i just wanted to clear up some things.

I have been part of hitsquad from when it started, one of the first 10 to join.

I have met Dave in person and do not feel he would intentionally cheat, he is the sort of person who would help anyone and is a good guy.

Most of you would have already come to your own conclusions, but although his account has been suspended that does not mean he is guilty.

Personally i feel it was an honest mistake and to me it looks like it is after the hand.

In this said tournament , the reason we do well consistently is possibly due to higher numbers than the other teams, also it could be due to better players here and there but that's always going to be debatable.

At no point in my time at Hitsquad have i ever questioned Dave's Intergrety or the team otherwise i certainly wouldnt be there. On that note in our facebook group or anywhere else i have never witnessed any form of order or advice to soft play/play together.

I cant comment on the smear campaign/trap arguement as i dont know anything of it.

I have tried not to comment (Sort off as i couldnt find my old account on here and different email address now)

I am not sure if this is a level or a comedy post. If it is a genuine post and you are in the team then fair play for coming out and having a go at defending him but can I just pull you up on a few things.


"I have met Dave in person and do not feel he would intentionally cheat, he is the sort of person who would help anyone and is a good guy."


He admitted it mate, straight from his own mouth (or fingers on a keyboard)

Most of you would have already come to your own conclusions, but although his account has been suspended that does not mean he is guilty.

He admitted it - Sky decided that he is guilty (unless people are right and he has done a deal).

"Personally i feel it was an honest mistake and to me it looks like it is after the hand."

He admitted it - The AK/AJ is clearly Pre (when Harvey is giving Hull the details) and only a deluded fool or Hitsquad member would believe different. Sorry for the rubdown but come on buddy??

"In this said tournament , the reason we do well consistently is possibly due to higher numbers than the other teams, also it could be due to better players here and there but that's always going to be debatable."

More people and better players - Fair point and there is no 100% proof on those being a factor so yes its up for debate. It's just a shame that the only true thing that we know that could make your team rank better is that your captain cheated with another member during one of these MTTS.

"At no point in my time at Hitsquad have i ever questioned Dave's Intergrety or the team otherwise i certainly wouldnt be there" .

And what about NOW that he has admitted, been proven as and outed as a colluder and cheat?

"On that note in our facebook group or anywhere else i have never witnessed any form of order or advice to soft play/play together."

I've seen it in personal chats between your members, haven't you?



I hope you understand that if your post was serious then I don't mean to flame you but you have to appreciate that 2 of your team members (at the time)colluded in a Sky Tournament to gain an advantage. Your captain cheated, you may be under pressure not to admit it on fear of the teams reaction but any decent person and more importantly decent poker player will know what the chat logs meant and what was going on. I don't know about all this about him doing a deal with Sky to play under a new account but I do know that the outcome was good for online poker as anything over than a ba for both brings it down to a place that we have been trying for years to drag it out of. I'm you you get that mate.

Where do you guys play other than Sky? Do you play on any particular sites?

Again sorry for the questions, points and mini flame but your captain was dodgy and got caught out. I hope it isn't the whole team up to no good because at the moment you are all in the spotlight and rightly so.

Good luck at the table (but it seems that you don't need it when playing together)
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04-16-2015 , 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Johnjon1987
Hi all,

I am young_gun from skypoker, also a member of hitsquad tem and i just wanted to clear up some things.

I have been part of hitsquad from when it started, one of the first 10 to join.

I have met Dave in person and do not feel he would intentionally cheat, he is the sort of person who would help anyone and is a good guy.

Most of you would have already come to your own conclusions, but although his account has been suspended that does not mean he is guilty.

Personally i feel it was an honest mistake and to me it looks like it is after the hand.

In this said tournament , the reason we do well consistently is possibly due to higher numbers than the other teams, also it could be due to better players here and there but that's always going to be debatable.

At no point in my time at Hitsquad have i ever questioned Dave's Intergrety or the team otherwise i certainly wouldnt be there. On that note in our facebook group or anywhere else i have never witnessed any form of order or advice to soft play/play together.

I cant comment on the smear campaign/trap arguement as i dont know anything of it.

I have tried not to comment (Sort off as i couldnt find my old account on here and different email address now)
And this is what you are up against.......
Absolute proof of cheating yet people defending it...well as far as I'm concerned any member of any team that condones cheating is tarred with the same brush...and it makes you think it must be rife within that team!.
If I was a member of a team in which the captain admitted cheating I would leave the team for the sake of my own reputation..
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04-16-2015 , 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by SkinnyP
I am not sure if this is a level or a comedy post. If it is a genuine post and you are in the team then fair play for coming out and having a go at defending him but can I just pull you up on a few things.


"I have met Dave in person and do not feel he would intentionally cheat, he is the sort of person who would help anyone and is a good guy."


He admitted it mate, straight from his own mouth (or fingers on a keyboard)

Most of you would have already come to your own conclusions, but although his account has been suspended that does not mean he is guilty.

He admitted it - Sky decided that he is guilty (unless people are right and he has done a deal).

"Personally i feel it was an honest mistake and to me it looks like it is after the hand."

He admitted it - The AK/AJ is clearly Pre (when Harvey is giving Hull the details) and only a deluded fool or Hitsquad member would believe different. Sorry for the rubdown but come on buddy??

"In this said tournament , the reason we do well consistently is possibly due to higher numbers than the other teams, also it could be due to better players here and there but that's always going to be debatable."

More people and better players - Fair point and there is no 100% proof on those being a factor so yes its up for debate. It's just a shame that the only true thing that we know that could make your team rank better is that your captain cheated with another member during one of these MTTS.

"At no point in my time at Hitsquad have i ever questioned Dave's Intergrety or the team otherwise i certainly wouldnt be there" .

And what about NOW that he has admitted, been proven as and outed as a colluder and cheat?

"On that note in our facebook group or anywhere else i have never witnessed any form of order or advice to soft play/play together."

I've seen it in personal chats between your members, haven't you?



I hope you understand that if your post was serious then I don't mean to flame you but you have to appreciate that 2 of your team members (at the time)colluded in a Sky Tournament to gain an advantage. Your captain cheated, you may be under pressure not to admit it on fear of the teams reaction but any decent person and more importantly decent poker player will know what the chat logs meant and what was going on. I don't know about all this about him doing a deal with Sky to play under a new account but I do know that the outcome was good for online poker as anything over than a ba for both brings it down to a place that we have been trying for years to drag it out of. I'm you you get that mate.

Where do you guys play other than Sky? Do you play on any particular sites?

Again sorry for the questions, points and mini flame but your captain was dodgy and got caught out. I hope it isn't the whole team up to no good because at the moment you are all in the spotlight and rightly so.

Good luck at the table (but it seems that you don't need it when playing together)
Yes i can confirm its not a level, search my alias and you will see i have been on there for while.

Obviously we all play other sites , but i dont think i have ever been on the same table with anyone on any other site. If we were the same would apply we would play our own game.

The team was set up as a bit of support each other, at no point has it ever been to work together.

My opinion is Dave is not guilty, if anything untowards as some of the chat would suggest then i would i do honestly believe that was not his intention.

With regards to 2 of our players, the other player is not hitsquad and on the face of it never has been.

I stil back my opinion and thats all it is and hope his ban will be overturned.

On a separate note although ironic the whole team concept im not actually 100% behind, i like the idea of being a team together but dont often get involved. I have played DTD Monday here and there, but it has all gone over the top with constant battles between teams when all i want to do is play poker or cheer the mates on.
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04-16-2015 , 11:31 AM
All Dave's response does not indicate he's trustworthy or honest. Has been found out to be a lying scumbag. Well done sky (eventually after pressure from here no doubt threatened their reputation).
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04-16-2015 , 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by InnocentRV
One Positive!!
You have made a HitWife Very Happy!! Thanks!! Xx

I Move on...
HitSquad remains Positive & Strong.

See you all around I expect.

I remain Sky Loyal I have many Close friends there across Community, from All Teams & Indies.
Tony K, was merley a Good Poker Acquaintance, not a close friend at all, as has been implied above, & nothing to do with any of this, neither has rest of The THS Team.

The HitSquad has run for 5 years with NEVER a Problem or Accusation, nor had I, till Now.
All Loyal to Sky & Community. That Continues....





IF....
IF you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:

If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
' Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch,
if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!




Bye & GL
IF only IF I HAD ONLY STAYED TRUE TO THE GAME.
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04-16-2015 , 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Johnjon1987
Hi all,

I am young_gun from skypoker, also a member of hitsquad tem and i just wanted to clear up some things.

I have been part of hitsquad from when it started, one of the first 10 to join.

I have met Dave in person and do not feel he would intentionally cheat, he is the sort of person who would help anyone and is a good guy.

Most of you would have already come to your own conclusions, but although his account has been suspended that does not mean he is guilty.

Personally i feel it was an honest mistake and to me it looks like it is after the hand.

In this said tournament , the reason we do well consistently is possibly due to higher numbers than the other teams, also it could be due to better players here and there but that's always going to be debatable.

At no point in my time at Hitsquad have i ever questioned Dave's Intergrety or the team otherwise i certainly wouldnt be there. On that note in our facebook group or anywhere else i have never witnessed any form of order or advice to soft play/play together.

I cant comment on the smear campaign/trap arguement as i dont know anything of it.

I have tried not to comment (Sort off as i couldnt find my old account on here and different email address now)
Maybe you should start asking questions then.

And as for the rest of it; what do you think ''ul, sorry, I did type pre'' means? Or ''I have J''?

I doubt Sky have suspended the account of someone they deem innocent.

If it was an honest mistake, which I can believe, then why dig an equator sized hole for yourself with so many lies? A man of integrity would have owned up straight away, instead Dave tried to drag others down with him with his ridiculous slurs and claims.

For the way he handled it, he has got everything he deserves. Absolutely no sympathy from me whatsoever.
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04-16-2015 , 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Dwimmerlaike
You keep banging on about how he confessed to cheating then deleted his confession.

You think that makes it ok?

Using your logic if I do something unlawful I can just admit it and then remove my confession making it ok.

Get a grip of yourself.
I actually can't believe how many dumb people don't realise that paracetamol is a parody. Sarcasm detector broke much?
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04-16-2015 , 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Johnjon1987
Yes i can confirm its not a level, search my alias and you will see i have been on there for while.

Obviously we all play other sites , but i dont think i have ever been on the same table with anyone on any other site. If we were the same would apply we would play our own game.

The team was set up as a bit of support each other, at no point has it ever been to work together.

My opinion is Dave is not guilty, if anything untowards as some of the chat would suggest then i would i do honestly believe that was not his intention.

With regards to 2 of our players, the other player is not hitsquad and on the face of it never has been.

I stil back my opinion and thats all it is and hope his ban will be overturned.

On a separate note although ironic the whole team concept im not actually 100% behind, i like the idea of being a team together but dont often get involved. I have played DTD Monday here and there, but it has all gone over the top with constant battles between teams when all i want to do is play poker or cheer the mates on.

Somewhere in the distant past I remember you advocating screen sharing with your mates while playing on Sky tables. Assuming you're the same YoungGun of course.

I remember one was a member of a team and when that team learned of it they threw him out.


Screen sharing would be for training purposes I guess?

Last edited by part-timer; 04-16-2015 at 11:57 AM. Reason: accuracy of statement
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04-16-2015 , 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by F_Ivanovic
I actually can't believe how many dumb people don't realise that paracetamol is a parody. Sarcasm detector broke much?
And I can't believe how many dumb people believe he might not be 100% seriously upset his team leader got banned.

Sure he might be a parody account but he could be a total moron who believes what he types.
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04-16-2015 , 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Dwimmerlaike
And I can't believe how many dumb people believe he might not be 100% seriously upset his team leader got banned.

Sure he might be a parody account but he could be a total moron who believes what he types.
I've seen first hand on FOSP skypoker page that there are some deluded people that still believe he's innocent.

Paracetamol is for sure not one of them people - I would happily put £100 on it that it's a parody account. I recognize sarcasm when I see it and although his first post on this thread had me fooled his follow up posts confirm he is not serious.
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04-16-2015 , 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by F_Ivanovic
I've seen first hand on FOSP skypoker page that there are some deluded people that still believe he's innocent.

Paracetamol is for sure not one of them people - I would happily put £100 on it that it's a parody account. I recognize sarcasm when I see it and although his first post on this thread had me fooled his follow up posts confirm he is not serious.
Was going to send the group a request to see what's going on but decided it would be tilting.
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04-16-2015 , 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Dickie Poo
If my Auntie had Bollocks she would be my Uncle.... bye... gl....
are you still the captain?
MUST CALL SAUL..
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04-16-2015 , 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnjon1987
My opinion is Dave is not guilty, if anything untowards as some of the chat would suggest then i would i do honestly believe that was not his intention. .
Are you on the FOSP facebook page and have you seen the screenshots and his confession?

The most damning evidence to prove they weren't talking about their hands post-hand is when he says "Ul sorry did type pre" - and then after Hullplayer left the team he said "best we delete this conversation" - does that sound like an innocent man to you?

How do you explain that one? Maybe it wasn't his intention to set out to cheat, but he did.

Anyone can make a mistake and he made a big mistake - but instead of holding his hands up and admitting it, he has tried to make it out as though he was stitched up like a kipper.
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04-16-2015 , 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by F_Ivanovic
Are you on the FOSP facebook page and have you seen the screenshots and his confession?

The most damning evidence to prove they weren't talking about their hands post-hand is when he says "Ul sorry did type pre" - and then after Hullplayer left the team he said "best we delete this conversation" - does that sound like an innocent man to you?

How do you explain that one? Maybe it wasn't his intention to set out to cheat, but he did.

Anyone can make a mistake and he made a big mistake - but instead of holding his hands up and admitting it, he has tried to make it out as though he was stitched up like a kipper.
Got it spot on!
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