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04-14-2015 , 07:43 AM
So the Hitman is a very close friend of Tony Kendall...
does that mean Tony Kendall decides who plays at sky poker?....

he seems to change the staff pretty often with him on the former TV show,that used to be interesting but sadly became as interesting as watching a 30 minute extended commercial for incontinence pants .....

seems to me that its not SKY who say what goes on it Tony Kendall...

David Harvey....naughty naughty.....go and stand in the corner until lesson is over... and look at the wall.....

its quite entertaining to watch and read,im still waiting to see any evidence of this 'Blackmail' you claimed earlier.....well done on coming 1st and 2nd in DTD again last night btw
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04-14-2015 , 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by PWallis
Where does he suggest you cheated? He merely states that on a positive note there was a 1st and 2nd.
Looking at the tone of the post, I though the shocked expression was that there had been skullduggery involved for two of us to finish 1st and 2nd... If I have misunderstood, then I stand corrected.
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04-14-2015 , 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by THS Cracked
Looking at the tone of the post, I though the shocked expression was that there had been skullduggery involved for two of us to finish 1st and 2nd... If I have misunderstood, then I stand corrected.
I can't speak for what the implication was but purely going by the words written, even DH's legal team would tell you that there is no suggestion of that.
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04-14-2015 , 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Jondabar
Sky's response when I contacted them last night about alleged cheats playing in the DTD game....

Jonathan Greetham: surely an alleged cheat should be banned until the investigation has been completed for safety?
Waseem S: The poker can not ban any customer until guilty. We have to wait for the outcome of the investigation first.

I do know of one player who as soon as he was moved to one of the alleged players tables announced that they would not play another hand, contacted Sky and were reimbursed for the game.
I was the player that as soon as one of the two players joined my table refused to play hands, i also ask him why he thought it was ok to still be playing after placing himself on "self exclusion" for the whole of April on one of his many apologies/admittances/i was stitched up posts.

Here's my chat with sky's CS team:

Danielle: Hi, you're through to Danielle.
Robert Tarn: hi danielle
Danielle: Hi Robert
Danielle:
Unfortunately as you haven’t responded in the last 2 minutes we are shortly going to have to terminate this chat. If you'd like to continue the session please respond now otherwise it will end in 30 seconds. If you're away from your computer and your question is still to be answered please submit another chat. We apologise for any inconvenience.

Robert Tarn: hi
Danielle: Hi
Robert Tarn: u havent responded to my query
Danielle: Can i please take your user ID
Robert Tarn: *
Danielle: Can I take your mother's maiden name and the first line of your address please?
Robert Tarn: *****
Danielle: thanks
Danielle: I will just look into this for you
Robert Tarn: hitman_rv is his table name, ** is his actual name i can provde links to his admittances if needed
Danielle: thanks for waiting Robert
Robert Tarn: ok
Danielle: I have just been speaking with our security team
Robert Tarn: yes
Danielle: Can you please confirm which tournament which you are going to be playing in
Robert Tarn: its already started its the £150 DTD 2
Danielle: Ok, I will put a note on your account. When the game finishes please come back to us and we will be able to refund the stake providing there is no game play
Robert Tarn: theres was game play at the start but not from the moment he joined the table
Robert Tarn: every hand has been folded and i announced in the chat that i would play no further part
Robert Tarn: may i ask why is he still able to play after admitting it so publicly?
Danielle: This is something that our poker team are aware of Robert and this is currently under investigation
Robert Tarn: i understand that but surely both parties should be "suspended" pending the outcome
Danielle: I am sorry but I cannot discuss his account with you Robert, but can assure you that this is been investigated
Robert Tarn: i understand, thankyou for your help in this matter, does the whole game have to be over or do i just need to be eliminated?
Danielle: we cannot remove you from the tournament so if you come to us one the game has finished we will be able to refund your buy in
Robert Tarn: ok thankyou
Danielle: No worries
Danielle: Is there anything else I can help you with
Robert Tarn: no thats all thankyou
Danielle: Ok, have a nice evening
Robert Tarn: thankyou, have a good night
Danielle: Thanks Robert, you too : )

The fact they are willing to give me a refund should tell you everything you need to know.
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04-14-2015 , 08:45 AM
Just to add the query for the chat form
Read "ive just had a player who has openly admitted to collusion on the forum join my table, im refusing to play a hand and want my buy in refunded"
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04-14-2015 , 08:52 AM
So if what posted on this forum is right I can pretty much reg any tourney those accused of colluding are playing in and ask sky for my money to be refunded. Means I'm free-rolling?

Seems pretty daft.
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04-14-2015 , 08:55 AM
Also giving you time to withdraw any funds you may have cheated to win. So even if your account get banned the funds are in your bank, so who cares.
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04-14-2015 , 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Big_Mick00
Also giving you time to withdraw any funds you may have cheated to win. So even if your account get banned the funds are in your bank, so who cares.
The other person in this (DD) has already stated two days ago that he has withdrawn his bankroll because he's expecting a ban. He made that statement publicly on a FB page.

Nice when the site allows you time to put your affairs in order before they decide to ban you.

This should have been immediate suspensions pending an enquiry and that should have happened weeks ago.

Last edited by part-timer; 04-14-2015 at 09:54 AM. Reason: clarity
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04-14-2015 , 10:10 AM
subbing whats the sn's of these questionable characters?
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04-14-2015 , 10:56 AM
Sky pokers response on their forums on the matter of "no action"

"Hi all

We just wanted to repeat previous messages about cases of collusion, especially in light of some questions we have been asked recently.

First of all, we want to reiterate that we take cases of collusion very seriously and investigate anything reported to us to the fullest extent we can. We also take action against players where collusion is proven, to protect the integrity of the games on Sky Poker.

Without giving too much away, we actively monitor for collusion and have people and systems to do this. Obviously we cannot share too much on this in the interest of ensuring that the above runs smoothly. However, we would say that from time to time, we also rely on information from people who report things to us to either suggest something potentially suspicious (that might merit further investigations) or to give us proof that they might have.

Of course, the best form of proof is the data and information we have accessible ourselves so we rely on that the most. Unfortunately, not all external information, such as that on social media can be verified as being 100% legitimate and undoctored. A simple accusation on social media for example, is not enough to act upon.

So what should you do if you suspect collusion? - simple really, please contact our customer care team in the first instance and they will pass the information on to the relevant team to investigate further.

So you know, we do not normally instantly ban or suspend people who have been accused of cheating and very much work on an 'innocent until proven guilty' basis. Also, we do not disclose these accusations or resulting actions in public. Why? - well because that is fairest course of action.

Imagine a situation where someone had a grudge against a player and wanted to make unfounded accusations. Would it be fair to instantly ban that person? Mostly not. We also wouln't say, "We are investigating 'Joe Bloggs' for collusion", that would generally be unfair too.

It is not uncommon for people to say ‘why haven’t Sky done anything about x?’. Well most of the time we have but cannot discuss individual cases publically.

We treat each case on its merits and not all are black & white. However, to reiterate the point above all are taken seriously and any cases that are proven, we take action on.

We hope you've found this useful. We can answer questions, without going into specific cases as mentioned above.

Thanks
Sky Poker"
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04-14-2015 , 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Dwimmerlaike
Sky pokers response on their forums on the matter of "no action"

"Hi all

We just wanted to repeat previous messages about cases of collusion, especially in light of some questions we have been asked recently.

First of all, we want to reiterate that we take cases of collusion very seriously and investigate anything reported to us to the fullest extent we can. We also take action against players where collusion is proven, to protect the integrity of the games on Sky Poker.

Without giving too much away, we actively monitor for collusion and have people and systems to do this. Obviously we cannot share too much on this in the interest of ensuring that the above runs smoothly. However, we would say that from time to time, we also rely on information from people who report things to us to either suggest something potentially suspicious (that might merit further investigations) or to give us proof that they might have.

Of course, the best form of proof is the data and information we have accessible ourselves so we rely on that the most. Unfortunately, not all external information, such as that on social media can be verified as being 100% legitimate and undoctored. A simple accusation on social media for example, is not enough to act upon.

So what should you do if you suspect collusion? - simple really, please contact our customer care team in the first instance and they will pass the information on to the relevant team to investigate further.

So you know, we do not normally instantly ban or suspend people who have been accused of cheating and very much work on an 'innocent until proven guilty' basis. Also, we do not disclose these accusations or resulting actions in public. Why? - well because that is fairest course of action.

Imagine a situation where someone had a grudge against a player and wanted to make unfounded accusations. Would it be fair to instantly ban that person? Mostly not. We also wouln't say, "We are investigating 'Joe Bloggs' for collusion", that would generally be unfair too.

It is not uncommon for people to say ‘why haven’t Sky done anything about x?’. Well most of the time we have but cannot discuss individual cases publically.

We treat each case on its merits and not all are black & white. However, to reiterate the point above all are taken seriously and any cases that are proven, we take action on.

We hope you've found this useful. We can answer questions, without going into specific cases as mentioned above.

Thanks
Sky Poker"
seems to me both parties admitted their guilt. tho one did retract after discussions with his legal team. what more proof do you need or are you all using the same legal team.
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04-14-2015 , 11:33 AM
If sky poker wasn't already a joke..
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04-14-2015 , 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by drumbeat
seems to me both parties admitted their guilt. tho one did retract after discussions with his legal team. what more proof do you need or are you all using the same legal team.
I don't need proof. Nor am I using a legal team. I seen Sky's stance on the matter and thought it would be worthwhile posting it here.

If you read this thread you can see my previous post in which I point out a flaw in their policy.
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04-14-2015 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Dwimmerlaike
I don't need proof. Nor am I using a legal team. I seen Sky's stance on the matter and thought it would be worthwhile posting it here.

If you read this thread you can see my previous post in which I point out a flaw in their policy.
Pretty sure he was typing as if he was speaking to sky and not to you.
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04-14-2015 , 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by MMD
Pretty sure he was typing as if he was speaking to sky and not to you.
Ah lol trying to make dinner and browse the forums at the same time.

I can't see much else on the sky forums about the situation.
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04-14-2015 , 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Dwimmerlaike
Ah lol trying to make dinner and browse the forums at the same time.

I can't see much else on the sky forums about the situation.

The forum is run like a well-oiled propaganda machine. Life bans are available for those who post disagreeable material and also for those who protest at the life bans of others.

Life bans in some cases mean a forum and a poker ban. In some cases the banned persons spouse has also been banned.

You get the idea.
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04-14-2015 , 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Dwimmerlaike
I don't need proof. Nor am I using a legal team. I seen Sky's stance on the matter and thought it would be worthwhile posting it here.

If you read this thread you can see my previous post in which I point out a flaw in their policy.
MDN was right. not meant for you thought it was a direct response from sky on here. not much hope of that tho. the number of players they have banned in the past without reason makes a mockery of their t/c. i remember watching one of their shows once when the old guy Tony Kendle said people take the game to seriously. were else can you get a night out for 5£. what we didnt know was we my have been paying for someone else's game to.
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04-14-2015 , 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by drumbeat
MDN was right. not meant for you thought it was a direct response from sky on here. not much hope of that tho. the number of players they have banned in the past without reason makes a mockery of their t/c. i remember watching one of their shows once when the old guy Tony Kendle said people take the game to seriously. were else can you get a night out for 5£. what we didnt know was we my have been paying for someone else's game to.
Does any one know if Sky have a rep or anything on here?
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04-14-2015 , 12:17 PM
"Hi all

We just wanted to repeat previous messages about cases of collusion, especially in light of some questions we have been asked recently.

First of all, we want to reiterate that we take cases of collusion very seriously and investigate anything reported to us to the fullest extent we can. We also take action against players where collusion is proven, to protect the integrity of the games on Sky Poker.

Without giving too much away, we actively monitor for collusion and have people and systems to do this. Obviously we cannot share too much on this in the interest of ensuring that the above runs smoothly. However, we would say that from time to time, we also rely on information from people who report things to us to either suggest something potentially suspicious (that might merit further investigations) or to give us proof that they might have.

Of course, the best form of proof is the data and information we have accessible ourselves so we rely on that the most. Unfortunately, not all external information, such as that on social media can be verified as being 100% legitimate and undoctored. A simple accusation on social media for example, is not enough to act upon.

So what should you do if you suspect collusion? - simple really, please contact our customer care team in the first instance and they will pass the information on to the relevant team to investigate further.

So you know, we do not normally instantly ban or suspend people who have been accused of cheating and very much work on an 'innocent until proven guilty' basis. Also, we do not disclose these accusations or resulting actions in public. Why? - well because that is fairest course of action.

Imagine a situation where someone had a grudge against a player and wanted to make unfounded accusations. Would it be fair to instantly ban that person? Mostly not. We also wouln't say, "We are investigating 'Joe Bloggs' for collusion", that would generally be unfair too.

It is not uncommon for people to say ‘why haven’t Sky done anything about x?’. Well most of the time we have but cannot discuss individual cases publically.

We treat each case on its merits and not all are black & white. However, to reiterate the point above all are taken seriously and any cases that are proven, we take action on.

We hope you've found this useful. We can answer questions, without going into specific cases as mentioned above.

Thanks
Sky Poker"



JOE BLOGGS, [+1], IS INNOCENT!!!!!!!!

He Never admitted Collusion, merely being the victim of an attempt to trap him into Collusion! I believe Joe!


& FREE GEORGE DAVIS!!!!

TY Sky

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04-14-2015 , 12:23 PM
Anyone else seeing the funny side of this besides David ''The Hitman'' Harvey?
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04-14-2015 , 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Dwimmerlaike
Does any one know if Sky have a rep or anything on here?
Tony Kendall did have some promotional posts on here once over. He is the Relations Manager, or similar, on Sky Poker.
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04-14-2015 , 01:35 PM
Sky's reply is very fair and totally exonerates David Harvey.

He made a mistake admitting to it on the Sky Forum and FB and deleted his posts near immediately. If it wasn't for idiots getting screenshots from social media outside of Sky then none of this would have happened. Evidence from other media and sites isn't valid. I hope they still ban HullPlayer as this whole thing is his fault.

Well done Sky.
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04-14-2015 , 01:53 PM
InnocentRV You may be making jolly about this matter but I assume you are now suspended from Sky Poker.
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04-14-2015 , 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Paracetamol
1: David Harvey only admits colluding over the tournaments that there are screenshots of him colluding in
Well he would, wouldn't he?
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Originally Posted by Paracetamol
If it wasn't for idiots getting screenshots from social media outside of Sky then none of this would have happened.
If he didn't collude in the first place, then there wouldn't be any screenshots showing evidence of collusion. "This" is happening because Sky is allowing an admitted cheat to keep his account.

You might want the facts to be buried. Some of us want cheaters and dodgy sites to be buried.

Sky has messed up horribly. Any site with an ounce of integrity would have suspended the players immediately, and done their best to reassure everyone else. Protecting an admitted cheater apparently because he posts a lot on the Sky forum shows Sky has its priorities backwards.
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04-14-2015 , 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Paracetamol
I hope they still ban HullPlayer as this whole thing is his fault.
This might just be the dumbest thing I've heard in 21 years of living on this planet. Takes two to tango. Either Sky ban nobody because the evidence isn't enough to prove guilt, or ban both for colluding. There's no middle ground here.
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