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09-06-2015 , 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Click on his name, and then choose threads started by him - it's right at the top.

Also, everyone - lvanhoe, not ivanhoe or Ivanhoe.
Is it too late to blame the iPad auto correct?
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09-07-2015 , 08:01 AM
Playing devil's advocate here, but why do people think he is 100% innocent, or like one poster said he was " 85-90%" there?

These threads have provided a virtual handbook for these situations.

1) Make your play look legitimate. ( We all could pretty much do that playing heads up, right?)
2) Be ready to provide emails you had with the site. ( That's easy. We know the site isn't going to put **** in there anyway)
3)Provide HH's. (No problem if you followed step 1)
4) Deny, deny, deny. (Of course your innocent. You've given the doubters everything they have asked for.)
5) Evoke sympathy. (After all you have been wrongly convicted. The stress is unbearable, not sleeping or eating.)
6) Respond to people, but be respectful and don't lash out.
7) Nothing to lose. (Hard to prove 100%. You might get some of the money back, worth a shot either way)

Party Poker has more info than we do. They have done their reviews and have still decided to ban him. I'm not sure what their burden of proof is, but apparently they have decided that, in the very least, it is more probable than not that he is guilty.

Could OP be innocent? Sure, but those odds, for me anyway, are less than 50%.
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09-07-2015 , 08:24 AM
I think everyone has said that they think OP is innocent IF he hasn't left anything out.
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09-07-2015 , 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by dstock
Playing devil's advocate here, but why do people think he is 100% innocent, or like one poster said he was " 85-90%" there?

These threads have provided a virtual handbook for these situations.

1) Make your play look legitimate. ( We all could pretty much do that playing heads up, right?)
2) Be ready to provide emails you had with the site. ( That's easy. We know the site isn't going to put **** in there anyway)
3)Provide HH's. (No problem if you followed step 1)
4) Deny, deny, deny. (Of course your innocent. You've given the doubters everything they have asked for.)
5) Evoke sympathy. (After all you have been wrongly convicted. The stress is unbearable, not sleeping or eating.)
6) Respond to people, but be respectful and don't lash out.
7) Nothing to lose. (Hard to prove 100%. You might get some of the money back, worth a shot either way)

Party Poker has more info than we do. They have done their reviews and have still decided to ban him. I'm not sure what their burden of proof is, but apparently they have decided that, in the very least, it is more probable than not that he is guilty.

Could OP be innocent? Sure, but those odds, for me anyway, are less than 50%.

try reading the thread maybe ?
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09-07-2015 , 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by dstock
Playing devil's advocate here, but why do people think he is 100% innocent, or like one poster said he was " 85-90%" there?

These threads have provided a virtual handbook for these situations.

1) Make your play look legitimate. ( We all could pretty much do that playing heads up, right?)
2) Be ready to provide emails you had with the site. ( That's easy. We know the site isn't going to put **** in there anyway)
3)Provide HH's. (No problem if you followed step 1)
4) Deny, deny, deny. (Of course your innocent. You've given the doubters everything they have asked for.)
5) Evoke sympathy. (After all you have been wrongly convicted. The stress is unbearable, not sleeping or eating.)
6) Respond to people, but be respectful and don't lash out.
7) Nothing to lose. (Hard to prove 100%. You might get some of the money back, worth a shot either way)

Party Poker has more info than we do. They have done their reviews and have still decided to ban him. I'm not sure what their burden of proof is, but apparently they have decided that, in the very least, it is more probable than not that he is guilty.

Could OP be innocent? Sure, but those odds, for me anyway, are less than 50%.
Try reading the thread. If that is the handbook then how come 98 % of all these threads end up with the OP looking guilty after three or four days? Why will Party not divulge the circumstantial evidence? Why did they first say that the handhistories were suspicious and then later took that back and cite circumstantial evidence? What could that evidence be? Why did they decide to release most of the OP´s funds if he is guilty?
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09-07-2015 , 10:05 PM
Party poker rep popped into this thread. Said operations aware of this thread and investigating and nothing was heard from party that I know of after that. Obviously they have nothing on op if they did would have divulged it rather then having their good name smeared in the mud. Shame on party poker.
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09-08-2015 , 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted by ZeckoRiver
Party poker rep popped into this thread. Said operations aware of this thread and investigating and nothing was heard from party that I know of after that. Obviously they have nothing on op if they did would have divulged it rather then having their good name smeared in the mud. Shame on party poker.
Did you bother to read the thread? After that moment OP got an email from party saying the decision won't change. And that email was posted ITT
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09-08-2015 , 02:47 AM
While it is unacceptable from Party Poker to not deliver an explanation/evidence, it is as well curious that OP did not contact the third party for dispute resolution. It is cost free and thereafter he can still go to the court.
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09-08-2015 , 02:49 AM
I thought OP and pmarrsouth are still working on this?
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09-08-2015 , 03:05 AM
Based on what? OP never commented or answered any question in relation to this.
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09-08-2015 , 05:26 AM
Nothing really. pmarr still postin ITT though OP has gone quiet. Figured he wouldn't let it go even after this final decisions. If he is innocent, that is..
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09-08-2015 , 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Lessu
Nothing really. pmarr still postin ITT though OP has gone quiet. Figured he wouldn't let it go even after this final decisions. If he is innocent, that is..
Op gave up as he took this as far as he could. Party should have had rep that came into this thread post evidence. Why would op continue posting in this thread? Party proved they could arbitrarily boot a customer off their site and steal their money without having to explain themselves.

I have never heard of a 3d party like licensing of the site ever get a decision like this overturned. From what I understand these poker sites pay fees to the sites that license them so that is not that shocking. Curaco licensed Lock Poker. The only time they took action like refusing to license lock was when Lock didn't pay their fees.
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09-08-2015 , 06:47 AM
Did not see this thread until now. Can you please host the HH's again OP? The link earlier in the thread did not work.
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09-08-2015 , 06:58 AM
I believe the OP BTW. Big factors are:

OP built up in stakes over multiple years on the account. He had been sitting that stake regularly for months.

Why wouldn't he first withdraw his account balance to a lower amount (could withdraw and wait weeks, too), thus lowering the risk significantly? A person does not need 8bi on the account to scam. I'm a legitimate player and I bum hunt with as few as 3-4 bi on some sites.

Party donks do play this way more so than any other site.

Still want to see those hand histories though. If these check out then there is nothing suspicious to me at all and I don't see what party's case is built on.

Edit: Also agree that this is an all or nothing situation and seems *extremely* unprofessional by party at this point. In cases of chip dumping you either take the entire account balance or none of it. Deciding to close the account is entirely separate from this though and if they wanted to ban OP then that is their business. So to me the discussion is mostly on why OP is having his money stolen from him, especially in a way that is inconsistent with the charges against him.

Last edited by Kardnel; 09-08-2015 at 07:08 AM.
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09-08-2015 , 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Kardnel
Did not see this thread until now. Can you please host the HH's again OP? The link earlier in the thread did not work.
https://partyscam.wordpress.com/2015/08/23/hej-varlden/
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09-08-2015 , 10:28 AM
I believe that some 3rd party disputes sites/companies do not allow persons with disputes open to be talking/posting/etc about their case
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09-08-2015 , 10:48 AM
^this is likely true. he sent me a PM a couple weeks ago telling me that he couldn't post about it.
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09-08-2015 , 11:40 AM
But he is allowed to post that he gave the case to a third party for dispute resolution? Or is this ADR a secret society?
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09-08-2015 , 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
^this is likely true. he sent me a PM a couple weeks ago telling me that he couldn't post about it.
I would think if that were true, he wouldn't want you posting about it...
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09-08-2015 , 02:40 PM
and i havent been posting about it. relaying the fact that he's unable to speak at the moment for reasons undisclosed isn't the least bit inappropriate, try to do a better job thinking next time before you "..." me
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09-09-2015 , 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by pmarrsouth
I believe that some 3rd party disputes sites/companies do not allow persons with disputes open to be talking/posting/etc about their case
"If all reasonable means to resolve the complaint with the licensee have been exhausted, you can request Alternative Dispute Resolution (ADR). To get in touch with an independent third party mediator, please contact eCOGRA."

https://www.partypoker.com/responsib...rotection.html



"We ask that you do not place posts regarding the complaint on any forums nor should you seek assistance from another third party service while we work your case. Either of these will result in the immediate termination of our assistance."

http://www.ecogra.org/srs/policies_procedures.php
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09-15-2015 , 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by 39suited
I very vividly remember the discussion about ivanhoe being a HU bumhunter by default, can't find the thread anymore.
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Originally Posted by centebakkie
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This reminds me of Ivanhoe's thread

GL if legit OP
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Originally Posted by dstock
Playing devil's advocate here, snip

Could OP be innocent? Sure, but those odds, for me anyway, are less than 50%.
+1 for both threads (might even be the same OP)
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