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01-18-2008 , 05:53 AM

#76

pmarrsouth

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,141

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Originally Posted by xSCWx

I don't send first to anyone anymore, but I'm careful about who I have send to me anyways because I don't want to steal with a stolen CC or a hacked account.

Heres what I look at:

1) Post Count - This should be obvious. It forces the scammers to put an effort into it. If they have to spend 5 hours making posts
2) Registration Date - Someone can make new accounts in advance, but it at least forces them to have premeditated the scam.
3) Their Actual Posts - For example, when lolol82 tried to trade with me a few days ago I noticed that his posts were mostly from degen threads like "post your shoes win $500." This should be a huge red flag when he tries to tell you he is a well known high stakes player. The people who have well thought out, helpful posts show quite a bit more character. This also prevents them from spamming their post count easily. As a counterexample, I got a PM from someone yesterday who wanted to trade. I looked through his post count, and I saw that he played micro stakes and had made a post about the pricing for something that was ~$70 and trying to find it cheaper. When I went to trade with him, he wanted to exchange $50 which makes sense. If he wanted to trade for $500 I would realize that something was up and I would decline.

If everyone looked at these 3 things it would make it MUCH harder to be scammed if at all. I don't want to say it wouldn't happen because there probably are people pathetic enough to put months of effort into scamming $50 - but it would make it MUCH more difficult and would be very discouraging for scamming attempts.

4) Google all their info, including Poker Screennames, AIM names, forum screennames, etc. ALso use OPR/SS/Poker DB, and search for their names. If no info comes from from googling or stats checking, then it is (from experience) usually a bad idea to deal with the person.

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01-18-2008 , 08:09 AM

#77

Mike Haven

Moderotor of Moderots

Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 14,613

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Originally Posted by GaryTheGoat

Mike,

Are you positive that goldeneleven is not lolol82 or an agent of his?

I don't know anything about transfers or scams, but this seems like another angle that lolol82 could utilize.

gTg

Please trust me. There was some method in my madness.

I agree that some of these petty crooks do set up scams along these lines. There are many, many attempted scams "behind the scenes" that I deal with, and often do not mention in the thread. (I can understand now why FTP does not like telling us what checks and tests they use in case the thieves learn from the information.)

Ironically, our friend sent me back my small loan with a 50% tip today because, (he tells me), he came first in a tournament and won about $200!

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01-18-2008 , 08:16 AM

#78

goldeneleven

banned

Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 96

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Originally Posted by Mike Haven

Yes. I did won 210$ winning a 180 man 4$ SNG with the 20$ you lended to me. I was kind of gambling but had confidence in my skills.

No I'm not a scammer, far from it.

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01-18-2008 , 09:05 AM

#79

Bobo Fett

Carpe Diem

Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 57,426

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Originally Posted by goldeneleven

Yes. I did won 210$ winning a 180 man 4$ SNG with the 20$ you lended to me. I was kind of gambling but had confidence in my skills.

No I'm not a scammer, far from it.

NH sir.

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01-18-2008 , 10:19 AM

#80

Mike Haven

Moderotor of Moderots

Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 14,613

Just to let everyone know, the p2p thread is not organised on totally inflexible "rules", and I always consider suggestions. Thank you for them.

However, until TwoPlusTwo Management tells me that it has to be deleted or locked, or until I get fed up with following it as closely as I do, the thread will remain open. TwoPlusTwo is no more endorsing transfers than they are promoting the porn site addresses that are shared in other forums. They provide a platform for readers to discuss or arrange anything those readers want, within sensible bounds.

At this time, I would much rather try to assist positively the many readers who tell me they really like having the thread to meet their occasional needs, than to agree with those who do not use or see any value in the content. Keeping the p2p transfer posts within one thread helps those readers in a number of ways, not the least of them being the best way not to be scammed, if they follow the advice and suggestions in the OP and throughout the thread.