I HAVE JUST READ THE FIRST 315 POSTS! yes, i am 10 days behind. did not open thread until today, so sorry for the late comments.

i'm getting caught up, but i had to chime in and say this thread just got g00t.

i know people with million dollar properties, $25mm in sales, and are completely unable to get $2,500 from a bank.

he owed YOU money too danger?

fwiw, it makes my eyes bleed to see you speaking down to a fellow dirtball.

sorry to hear about this for you. i have been through this as well.

curious what game he was playing and any comments about his play?

granny - he does not owe danger money.

danger has been a better poster lately and his main sin in his situation with Mark was not even really knowing or understanding he was a dirtball (or kind of making excuses for why it wasn't really stealing because he didn't ask for the stake or whatever).

roman obviously knew that what he was doing was wrong and chose to do it anyway. danger didn't or still doesn't even seem to understand that.

So there is a difference between the two and I don't think the situations are entirely comparable. Discussion for a different time though.
right now it appears that roman is staying away from this thread and I'm hoping it is more due to him taking the advice of others to just shut up and pay the money back. But since he isn't responding to at least one of the victims who has seen that he's been online it certainly doesn't look good and unfortunately there appears to be every possibility that Henry's prediction is proving to be correct and mine was wrong.

Mark his paid back i didnt steal from him and never intended to and this is a different situation. im sry that your old and have bad memory but i know for a fact mark told you that i paid him back in full. And it was staking situation where he Voluantary gave me money to play these ppl did not.

lol...looks like he pulled a hit and run. I would probably do the same if was in his same ****ty situation. From his perspective, who cares about his reputation amongst anonymous internet strangers on an online message board when you're in debt that much?

If it was your real life good friends that's one thing, but if you have a gambling/debt problem are you gonna be in the mood to payoff everything to some posters at 2+2?

Surprised you guys didn't look this up yet:

He apparently played a handful of $7 SNG's on FT on July 8 according to sharkscope.
I don't subscribe to that site so can't look up more than just his most recent action. And that site is mostly for SNG's. So if he played any cash-games I have no idea.
But obviously the fact that he was playing with your guys money as recently as July 8 is a bit disconcerting.
It appears the guy won a little bit though.

http://www.sharkscope.com/index.html...#fulltilt&null

He brought it all on himself, you make it sound like it was beyond his control. he could had gone to GA meetings is he is as degen as he sounds.

I guess I just used the wrong choice of words. Instead of saying "he's in such a bad situation" I meant to say he "put himself in such a bad situation". But regardless of whether it's his fault or whatever, the point is he is a degenerate in debt with some people on an internet forum - I don't expect him to them back .

I still think there's an okay chance he will pay people back. Seriously.

Some people have integrity. Some people realize that "anonymous internet strangers on an online message board" are real people too. Some people don't care what others think of them, but they do care about what they think of themselves.

i obviously knew this. i was saying it because he used the word us in a completely inappropriate way

i appreciate the fact that he is changing in your eyes, but not all of us see it that way.

with regards to him and mark, he decided to stiff him and was forced to pay it back only because he could not live with losing his screename at 2p2. this screename is his entire life and i expect him to use his post count some day to scam another person. frankly, i'm tired of him and his ****ty opinions and actions.

why did he have his own thread locked because it had evidence of the real tool he is? since when are we allowed to have threads about ourselves until they turn ugly? who gets personal threads anyway? yes, i blame mikehaven, not you. i think it may be one of the only things mike has done that i strongly disagree with.

we are not here to placate or entertain dangeraw. i have zero pity for him, and think he is complete and total waste of time.

wow granny i knew you were dumb i dont give a **** about being ban here i even requested it 3 times now. and i wasnt going to lose my name even if i didn't pay mark back. and i nstiff noone and never intended to. you need to find some common sense bc you way dumber than i thought. hope you have on that short bus. pity wow i dont want anybody pitty in fact pitty is the worst thing you can gave someone. i cant believe how dumb you are. granny if you so sickk of me stop talking about me. and stop talking about **** you know nothing about i know that alot for you to do since you dont know much bc you are so forgetful.

Here are the S&Gs he played for this month according to sharkscope:

54258774 8-Jul-08 10:41 TURBO NL Holdem $7 9 -$7.50
54259205 8-Jul-08 10:39 TURBO NL Holdem $7 9 -$7.50
54258846 8-Jul-08 10:31 TURBO NL Holdem $7 9 -$7.50
54256726 8-Jul-08 10:20 TURBO NL Holdem $7 9 -$7.50
54257199 8-Jul-08 10:15 TURBO NL Holdem $7 9 $24
54256659 8-Jul-08 10:10 TURBO NL Holdem $7 9 $24
54254859 8-Jul-08 09:43 TURBO NL Holdem $7 9 -$7.50
54254894 8-Jul-08 09:42 TURBO NL Holdem $7 9 $24
54253476 8-Jul-08 09:23 TURBO NL Holdem $7 9 -$7.50
54253572 8-Jul-08 09:21 TURBO NL Holdem $7 9 $24
54251193 8-Jul-08 08:45 TURBO NL Holdem $7 9 -$7.50
54250994 8-Jul-08 08:42 TURBO NL Holdem $7 9 -$7.50
54250923 8-Jul-08 08:34 TURBO NL Holdem $7 9 $11.40
54249224 8-Jul-08 08:18 TURBO NL Holdem $7 9 $24
54249200 8-Jul-08 08:10 TURBO NL Holdem $7 9 $5.10
54249098 8-Jul-08 08:10 TURBO NL Holdem $7 9 -$7.50
54177522 7-Jul-08 15:17 TURBO NL Holdem $14 9 -$15
54176938 7-Jul-08 15:17 TURBO NL Holdem $7 9 -$7.50
53682578 2-Jul-08 16:51 TURBO NL Holdem $28 9 $45.60

i think if i was down to my last dollar, i'd at least not play turbos. i mean, cmon. at least make it last that extra 15 minutes.

didnt someone say that they knew some of romans personal info, if u could pm me with it, bc the money he stole from me is alot of money to me and since he has no intention of paying, i would like to let everyone in his life know the kind of person he is, if they already dont!

lol what a degen. Gambling online with his last dollars while he still owes people on the forum...lmao

I thought there was an ok chance before, now it's been downgraded to slight.

No. Degenerates follow a very specific pattern of behaviour. The only way he would pay anyone back was if he had a massive hit with the funds he had coming in. Otherwise he disappears. No degenerate has deviated from this pattern in 18 years.

Henry, that comment seems a bit strong. He did show a willingness to try to pay back the people (or maybe he was just trying to attention whore). If it's the former, then possibly he comes back.

I think there's a decent chance because he did make some small payments, and there was really no reason for this if his plan was to run.

Methinks he's in a pinch to gamble or needed to cash out, or maybe is busto and can't show his face here at the moment.

Also, sah, I can see you're pissed, but asking someone for their home address, or posting that information on a forum, is pretty low imo.

*Perhaps* give the info to a mod rather than the mob, though I don't know what legal action can be taken.

so this phenomenon began in 1990?
I don't think sah wanted it for posting here, I think he wanted it for alerting people around romanwarrior.

I recently got to witness a thread on another forum where some boy started sending particularly creepy PM's propositioning several girls. He foolishly linked one of them to his MySpace which (uh-oh!) contained his GIRLFRIEND's profile. The girls went on to alert said girlfriend and all hell (hilarity?) broke loose!

I think that's more the angle sah was going for.

The small re-payments are actually part of the pattern. I actually thought he would have paid back the RB amount as well and then run when it came to his paycheck.

I don't really understand the psychology behind it I just know that this is the pattern. I've been around gamblers for almost two decades now -- out of that for 5-6 years a bookie / loan shark was one of my close friends and for a couple of years I ran an underground that would lend money to players -- the pattern is always the same.

Get into debt -- lie about level of wealth/income (even when it is clear to everyone that it is a lie) -- Blame something outside my control for why the payment was not made -- make small payments -- get some funds -- gamble with those funds -- pay back money if they win / try to disappear if they lose.

My observation of the phenomenon began in 1989-1990. It probably existed before that. I just can't attest to it.

Henry - Your observations aren't the end-all-be-all of the world.
I do think there are some differences between internet-gamblers and live gamblers who deal with bookies, etc.
That may or may not make a difference in this situation but I'm pretty sure there have been other 'scammer' types similar to Roman out there who really did pay back the "unintentional stakes" they received.

I think that limitninja (who some have speculated is the same as roman...I have no idea) paid back the people he ripped off. I'm almost positive there are others but I just don't follow it that much.

The pattern with SOME of those in the internet-gambling world (I believe) sometimes is:
- Set up 'transfer' of funds but come up with some flimsy excuse why you can't transfer back immediately.
- Pay back a little bit at a time over the next few weeks (as is convenient to you) until the debt is re-paid.

As I said though: I don't follow this stuff in the internet-gambling universe too much so don't know how common it is. But I'm pretty sure this scenario plays out like this more often than you think or your real-world experience has led you to believe could be possible.