Here's the way I see it:

1. We know that there are people who wish harm to Propa. This is because tehre were DDOS attacks.

2. If these people's intention's are serious at all, we can expect them to to try to smear Propa on high profile forums like 2p2.

3. So far all the people blatantly smearing Propa were strangers who have created accounts when the whole shabang started, so there's zero reason to trust them. The most logical thing to assume is that they are involved in a campaign against Propa. Of course they will deny it, but if they can't provide any credible references, I put zero weight to what they are saying. If a reputable poster would be saying the same things, that would be a completely different situation.

All that said, I think there's something shady going on with Propa. What I'd like to know is how did they piss off all these people so much that they are going to these extents to cause harm to Propa. If Mr. Espen Hope can give us an honest answer here, I think Propa has a chance to regain the trust of this community. If that is not done, I expect a larger part of the community will perceive Propa as a suspicious poker room which cannot be fully trusted.

If Propa does not intend to keep itself as a separate brand after the merge, this doesn't matter all that much, but otherwise I believe it is in their best interests to give us some sort of an explanation.

Have there really been any DDOS attack on propagandapoker and have this been going on for the last couple of weeks? If there have been an ongoing DDOS attack why havent they stopped it? What is their host provider turned down the bandwith because the missed payments from Propagandapoker?

Whats going to happend tomorrow when they are announcing their merge with Betafe? They got bailed out for their customer database and Betsafe promised them to secure funds for their clients! If not a reputable site like Betsafe had taken Propaganda to them they would have declered themself bankrupt and closed down! Propaganda do not have liquidity and they dont have their customers deposits! Everything i've told in my previous post are facts and stop questioning my intentions.. they are honest compared to the cowboys who are running Propagandapoker who got bailed out like a broke bank!

I believe the DDoS attacks started 09-26-2009, It's also your join date here on 2+2. ZE IRONY!!

All your previous claims are facts? Are you delusional? Go back and check what you wrote, and tell me if any of what you wrote is true. All along you've claimed you've got the facts.

You claimed they we're going down, our funds unsafe, not retrievable, and you claimed this was facts. Obv it was BS all along, a smear campaign all along.

Seems like you and your buddys failed with this campaign. gg

whats your agenda here germancoastguard?

You are as cluless as any other tool on this forum protecting Propaganda!

Do you think they have had a plan all along for their players? They have been kicked out from ipoker/tain for breaking every agreement they signed on and the only reason they survive is because they got bought out for their player database! Does really an perfectly well operated company like Propaganda need bailout packages from bigger sites?

The people playing on Propaganda have been lucky to come out of this with only a scare!

You said that you have money locked up there? And that you're just a regular player like many of us?

You see, your last two posts just proofed that you know alot more than just a random player. Why don't you tell us what you really are trying to do here? Why did you signup here?

With all the bs you've been trying to spread it seems very unlikely you have any funds at all stuck at propaganda.

I got money locked up in this mess.. not directly as a player, but whats happening with Propaganda will affect me financially! how exactly is none of your buisness.. lets just make it clear that im wiser that all you random guys on this forum who supported Propaganda with pushing the ipoker network down in the dirt and pissing all over the other skins in the network! You all know that what you have done is both illegal and against the networks rules and in reality everyone that played there and recieving 50% ++ rakeback would have deserved to lose their funds!

well mr bait looks really suspicious to me , just 11 posts and he seems to know way too much about propaganda and stuff , and he also said that he have money there too ??? so its not logical that a player who have all this information will deposit in a site that he considers risky or "shady"

i do not think this campaign comes from players i think that most logic answer is that this comes from other skins that lost some players to propaganda poker and now they want some revenge.

other skins on ipoker who conduct proper buisness are alive and doing well, while Propaganda have ****ed themself over multiple times! let it be clear im not involved with any other ipoker skins besides Propaganda..

Wow. Look buddy, if you want us to listen to you, you should try to do better than that. Right now you have zero credibility. You are just a random guy on the internet with no face and no accountability. For all we know, you could be a 13-year old kid playing .5/.10 and been pissed at Propa for not giving you the RB you wanted.

What seems to be pretty clear though is that you have an agenda, which so far doesn't seem to have much to do with the interests of the players, and which you don't want to reveal.

Mrbait you're ill, seek treatment. Btw I am sure your childish attempts didn't affect Propa at all, it was just a coincidence they got kicked at the same time when you started your obnoxious little campaign. Who would care about your laughable rants and claims - iPoker? Yeah right...

Mrbait is probably the same guy as elling69 in norwegian donkr forum. He owe propaganda poker money that he don't have. Don't know if that is a good reason for an agenda...

First of all, nothing a player does in taking bonuses or deals would be illegal in any country I know of.

Do their deals break network rules? Possibly. AFAIK, that usually means their affiliate and/or the skin broke the rules. Why you think this means the players deserve to lose their funds is beyond me. I don't think I've ever heard of a player losing funds because they were given a deal against network rules. Why are you taking such a radical and confrontational anti-player stance on this issue? If you're looking for support, you're really using a piss-poor approach.

well i must say this will also affect me financially... however im trusting a fast and peaceful resolution will come out of all of this, and Propa guys will prove their worth to the community by not failing their obligation towards players and affiliates alike...

On a side note, i have seen a lot of smearing in propaganda related posts and i myself never had nothing but good things to say about them, aside the lack of control they had on some poor excuse affiliates promoting their brand with questionable maybe breaking network rules... i hope all ends well i have a lot of friends playing there on my advice would hate to lose credibility.

Does anyone know when and where the official statement of Propaganda Poker will be made today?

this, it certainly looks strange to me too
why would a poker room have such dedicated enemies..

was my first thought also but then again the skins are not small children,
after it was clear that propa would get kicked there wasnt much to gain
for an ipoker skin by slandering propa any further.

I spoke to Proagandapoker and from what they have sent me it looks like they are joining a larger network (not sure if I am being naive though).

As we all know ipoker is the largest network.
(And yes I do know PS and FTP have more traffic but they are a site and not really seen as a network).

What I am thinking is that they are joining an already large network with other sites to create an even larger network then ipoker. Can this be possible?

Where is the press release?

I too received email from propa. is it true?:

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Hello dear Customer!

Official press release will go out tomorrow (05.10.2009) and time for migration will be informed in this press release.
Customer funds are 100% safe and the only reason payments is not allowed at the moment is due to ongoing migration.

We would like to thank all of you for your patience so far and we are positive that most of our customers will be very satisfied with our new offers & client!


Best regards,
Team Propagandapoker.com!

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my question is, where is the press release?

Why do you guys need a press release ive already told you guys whos bailing out who and whats happening! but could it be they manage to **** this up aswell?

just to let u know that now its still on and visible,
but nothing has changed there - still ipoker and pleytech buttons on the bottom of the www.

also - no official press release there, nothin new.
but - again online, so there is some progress ...

Anyone got any news as to what is happening?

still nothing new.

They are joining betsafe.com at Ongame..

Dont know when they are up. Will be more info soon I guess.

I have found this online news.
http://www.pokernewsdaily.com/dirty-...-network-5390/

same, nothing new.

LOL pokernewsdaily are quoting MrBait