Thanx a lot, one more question though...what's the ante structure (approximately how far in do they start. i always felt that stars started them too early in both turbo and non-tubro...maybe merge is better with that part of the format..???

LOL, the edges achieved by colluding in DONS are way higher than in ring games.

i just checked out carbon, their software suck, interface is blurry, um... weird site.

ur dead wrong. you aren't winning more for accumulating. In a cash game the sky is the limit with what times your original bankroll you will be able to bleed out in a session with your partners vs. the poor guy alone at the ring table waiting for it to fill up. U are so dead wrong it isnt even funny. In a cash game u only need a very small edge for that one huge pot where u bust the guy for all his money. U don't have those pot odds in dons therefore u actually need a larger edge and even more especially cause of the 8 percent entry fee. It isn't as foolproof in a don as in a cash game. u can't leave the table till it;s over therefore sometimesw even the cheaters won't be able to get the cards the needed for certain situations. Like i said, don't become a mathmatician cause the "edge" u have in ur mind isn't reality. HUGE in a side game. In a cash game, in one pot it could be over for who ur against which is a situation that is as good as a flip in a don therefore there is a much smaller edge. In a cash game, even a flip isn't really a flip due tothe pot odds since u will often get more than 2 to 1 for what u have in the middle and all u have to do is win a 50/50 for it whereas in a don the flips don't even pay 50/50 (ie 5.40 to enter then u win on a flip = $10 = 85.185%). DUH!!!!!! You would have to win $10.80 for for a don flip to pay 2 to 1. (all u win though is 4.60 for a 5.40 entry). there is little room for edge. it comes down to .01 ranges. cash game = if i have $18 in a pot by the flop then it could easily be an $80 pot in a full ring game. if i;m working with ppl as a cheater then we wouls be getting over 4 to 1 on that pot. THAT my frined is a TREMENDOUS EDGE. don's don't have those situations. Cheaters lose flips also. Actually, the cheaters were the ones dumb enough to play flips in the don's.

u can get used to it. Stars got annoying also in certain ways. they haven't even changed their table themes for 3 years. I was always playing the same boring marine theme. There will be things u like and don't like about them all. I don't care about that crap anymore, i'm there to play NOT to look at the beautiful scenery and lobby lol.

Perhaps now you know how it feels to have half your player-base taken away like us 50/30/20 players did when DoNs came out... It sucks.

Juk

Yeah, and cash players dealing with it too w/ shortstackers receiving their own shallow/cap games. Everyone's dealing with it...

What a crock Pokerstars is.

1. The new 50/50 format lasts, on average, less time than the standard Double or Nothing and yet the rake is higher.

2. They're canceling the DoN's because of collusion? Seems to me like they should also bin the ring games where collusion is rife.

3. And, what is to say the new 50/50 format won't see its share of collusion? In what way is the 10 handed 50/50 less vulnerable to cheating?

IMO, it's Pokerstars who are the cheats anyway. They dish out more than the average number of bad beats and unlikely hand vs. hand situations in order to ensure that there are a few big winners (great publicity for Pokerstars) but MILLIONS of slight losers, tiny winners or break even players. It all keeps the rake on the table and that's what Pokerstars loves. They're not content with a simple honest rake, they rig the game so that regular cashing out for the vast majority of players is a dream they will never achieve.

Lv6 maybe ante10
Lv7 - ante 15 i was at this level when i read your post

almost all of them they have 7min Level (it's only for the 1$ 10min)

Usually at Lv5-6 the game is finish but sometime we go at Lv7 or 8 against nits players

Lol peoples overplay their suit cards
Rofl just finish one at Lv4 mouhaha crazy ppl!

THANK YOU DLOGIC. The antes in stars don start earlier so maybe cake is better for me anyway and maybe i should be happy about stars deciding to get rid of 10's of 1000's per month in entry fee profits.

Actually that was your hint to switch to don's. sounds like u play either 6 max or 9 person sngs and in case u don't realize it, u would definitely have made more money and with less swings had u left for double or nothings when they "stole your traffic". Go look at the leaderdoards for all formats. Top don players make more than 6 person or 9 person players at all stakes.

Don's are the only format where a decent sng players could reasonably expect to multi 30 plus tables at 60% itm. (11.1 percent roi). i guarantee you that there are NO regular 6 and 9 max grinders who maintain 11.1 roi month after month for years. no chance.

Which game type is still running?

Juk

ur right. lol. but u still would be at least plus 150 percent profit from october 2008 till now if u were able to understand the format enuff to switch and multi.

-1 It happens

i did well in 6 max but came to the realization u cant multi many and there are big swings since even a good player cashes less than 35-40 percent of the time as opposed to 60 in dons.

not overall, only in streaks (500-1000 games etc etc). overall, no, it does not happen. Not over a one year sampling of an every day winning 6 or 9 grinder.

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I'm probably not even gonna bother playing them at this rake structure b/c I think the achievable edges are way lower than DoNs and probably close to 9-man SNG territory, meaning at best only a select few will show a modest profit long-term and everyone else will be lucky to break even. Not to mention you probably won't be able to multi-table for than maybe 8 or 9 of the $50 and $100s at once. If rake gets lowered to 2.5% or better and they start to take off more with casual players, then I might be interested.

The Sharkscope 2011 profit leader for the $16-35 double or nothing category is a Merge (i.e. Carbon Poker) player, so there definitely seems to be profit potential there. I'd imagine there $50+ DoNs run very sparingly, but that could change if a handful of regs take their business there. It would probably be possible to 20 table the $20-$50 DoNs if you combine Merge and Cake.

lol, i thought oif that also but i think u would have to go 2 screens then. hard to multi two sites.

I'm gonna check out ur blog fossil. i need a break from this insanity. i need to forget about this crap for a while. Stars let me down bigtime.

IF U ARE DON REG PLAYER LISTEN UP...use your brains cause i know u have them..we have to all go to merge. that is the obvious solution. they have the best rakeback 35 percent unless ther eis an even higher one that i didnt find) and the levels are 7 minutes. Cake is the less desirable US player solution due to the buy being less proprtionate to the level length (5.36 for 6 min levels). They also have a lower rakeback I believe. Over time, traffic will increase as long as players are serious and passionate enough about contining their don play. find a rakeback link online (i posted one earlier) and register for carbon when you are ready to start (load enough for 600 max deposit bonus so u get full value)

lol, we are all part of a DON PLAYER REVOLT now. (stars prolly thought they owned us and could just transistion us to a less desirable format...shame on them!!!)

genius idea...all don lovers should boycott 50/50's. end of story!

Happy to provide you a 6 minute break from this insanity sean