Hey SN's and SNE's

I've been 'trolling' (yes, call me a troll and feel smug in your superior genes) this site for a number of years now and have something I want to share:

The word 'fish' is bandied about in this forum by a number of 'elite' players, and done so in what can only be described as a pejorative, one smacking of arrogance. It seems we fish are your bitches. Bend us over the felt and have your way with us, discard us to the trash heap and hope we come back for another round when our wounds heal.

Well, all you 24 tablers making 6 figures, how's it feel to be Poker Stars' bitch?

Think the majority of us are crying for you? SNE's travelling the world and playing cards while the rest of us break our backs working to pay the rent. Nope. Definitely not crying for you. Snickering maybe.

Boo freakin' hoo. You've taken a hit. Wailing, weeping, whining, balling, bitchin' babies.

You used to appear arrogant. Now your greed just makes you look stupid.

Sincerely,
Red

(or salmon smolt to you)

I don't think that's the case, micro stakes (up to .05/.1) should generate less than 10% of the overall cash game rake, probably around 7% or w/e. The most rake should be generated at 0.5/1 and 1/2. I did some estimations of that distribution before using pokerscout and tableratings.

Do you have an approximate breakdown for various levels/games you could share ?

So sad to see a ton of you trying to screw other limits/games. 'lets increase the high stakes rake so they can decrease ours'. Why not decrease both, they have money and profit enough. Dont be fooled by all this marketing and security bull****, let the money come from their pockets. Not out of ours.

For 6-max / FR NLHE and PLO.

No, we won't be overlooked. Steve knows FL need representative these. Sect7G was proposed numerous times
Go to micro stakes lhe forum. We have an open discussion there.


Micro stakes have huge rake also, but I don't think there need to be like 1.5BB/100 rake to survive.
1BB/100 rake decrease on 5/T and below would suffice.
Of course it would be great if we can get more, but it's just not realistic.

some numbers for micro FL;

I have been advocated that as part of the solution but I said the (even if slight) decrease should go to the bottom stakes, the micro-limits.

I defend that cause I believe that is better for the whole poker economy to protect a bit more the low end and to protect a bit less the top end.

I dont play micro-limits but mid-low stakes though, quite above said low end stakes. The lowest I play is 0.5/1 and I play more often on several higher stakes. So this as you are putting is quite inaccurate...

agreed, a 1BB/100 reduction would be huge for the game!

Im supernova 200k +, start playing today and i making 30% less vpp than normal day, playing 25-50dol full ring, and cap too...
Sincerly, this is like a factory that have 400000 people working for them, and send away 300000, the only people working now are the freelancer*s (recreative players), and the directors (medium high stakes and high sits go players), what this company did in 29december, is like, saying, tomorow dont show to work u are fired... the timming its not acceptable, this disturb me more than the changes...

But, is stars dont want to loose their players... must do...

increase the vpp multiplier 6,5 minimum
increase to 30/40bb the cap games, if not they are almost impossible to beat
the rewards in vip store must be change

and sorry, because a lot of players that have plans for SNE, or to renewal them, are fired... not salvation in this system... for the one that puts their status in close...

I'm a first-time SNE in 2011 and I feel like stars just cheated on me. I played about 200 hours per month to get the enough hands in, but when I finished they just suddenly decided to cut the benefit significantly?

I have no problem against change to WC, but I think the right thing for stars to do is to find a way to compensate 2011 SNEs so that their benefit stays roughly the same in 2012.

Probably will not happen across the board, though some SNEs will not see a drop in their benefits.

You are not employees of Pokerstars.

Nominations look fine.

no im not... but several players live from their company, and the company lives from our money... show some class its the minimum they must do...

we dont want all... we want fairness... just like i said its not a day from january 1, that they announce this, what about the elites that must made it
how about the supernova that want to grow, hou about all the players of cash...

this changes should be presented earlier discussed, and then entered in the site middle of the year... not like that boom...

It's about making things fairer and the players who play micros/small stakes get punished severely and those playing in the biggest games running pay a tiny sum relatively. In an ideal world rake wouldn't exist (or be as low as possible) I think we all know it's a necessary evil (unless they move towards subscriptions.) So the only question is: "how can we make the games fairer in the way they are raked?"

Now if we talk about fairness, you must have rose tinted glasses on to accept that a $20 pot at NL10 getting raked for $2 whilst a $120k pot at $50/100 is raked for the same amount is anything but unjust and essentially theft.

Before things are decided (i'd like to see some organised method) of this, I request there is a representative for people who play micro stakes who are seemingly not represented by anyone currently.

I'd like to thank everyone that has voted for me to help represent LHE for the IOM talks.

Above is a condensed version of my platform for LHE if I am selected to be on the Panel by Pokerstars. This plan will adapt over the coming weeks due to feedback and stats from players which can be viewed in the Micro Limit forum. If selected I'd also like to start a Skype group with fellow Limit Players to bounce ideas off each other.

I'm 33, married and have two small Children and live in Canada.

For some of the posters who have doubted the agendas or motivations of some of the applicants I ask you- What is your suggestion?

Players have tried strikes, threatened to leave, but so far the changes have not been rolled back or acceptably modified. These meetings are what Pokerstars has offered us in good faith and I certainly doubt they are going to just put on a dog and pony show.

But to answer the cynacism (i hope it's coming out of general frustration over the changes) of some peoples concerns about my agenda for LHE.

People play poker for money generally. Take a quick look at my PTR/estimated rb, and then compare it to my Sharkscope for Scheduled Games. As you'll see on an hourly basis money wise, I'm a fool to play LHE.

I play LHE because I truly enjoy the game as it was my introduction to Poker and will always be my first passion. For the most part my suggestions in the past for Pokerstars have been to serve players other then myself including my recomendation at the Wsop of Limit Player Tzen1 for Online Pro to Pstars Steve. While at the same time I had profited the most of any player at the same stake (2-4) that year and had a decent following amongst my peers at the tables. Blogging and self promotion is just not my game.

I must say I can think of a couple bloggers on 2+2 who have been rather quiet about these changes... who knows maybe Online Pro is in their future. It won't be in mine.

So far people who have put themselves forward as possible reps,

Klairic
Hood
Sect7G
Xperu

Are there any more?

^
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/44...ke-o8-1147237/

"our" guy from o8

myself, chisness, metetron, probably others I'm forgetting

By the way, it's important that people putting themselves forward do so in a way that can be seen by all, as some people will try to fill up those rep seats quick without giving others a fair chance of being recognized and going.

After looking through things some more, these are the names.

Sect7G

xPeru

Klairic

krmont22

chisness

--UCLA Deity--


Are there any more?

You sound like a solid choice. Will you also be repping the other limit players - omaha, td etc?

Do you have a link to his intro?

Anyone on this commitee play fewer than 24 tables? serious question.

no but I think he was on the "original" one also Hood and JH1 or something.

I play 15-18 tables, and the changes hurt me about 10-20%. I don't foresee me gaining anything from the meeting with stars other than a *hopefully* more healthy game ecosystem.