Cant speak on number son tables but 100bb still seems much tougher than 20-50bb games

I think a lot of people saying how soft they were din;t factor in that it was the weekend when chages were introduced.

Thinly veiled "please let me rathole easier at 40-100bb by making it 30-100bb". A main reason for the changes was to deal with the ratholing, and not to give players like you another format to easily rathole on. It's 40-100bb for a reason, NLHE players WANT it that way. We have our game, and you have yours. The point wasn't to 'smooth' your transition from ratholing with the table changes, but to (hopefully) end the need for it, and to simultaneously give both groups of players the formats they 'actually' play.

Well first of all 2nd highest poster! Awesome
Ok seriously. I really don't see how NL cash game experience is relevant? It is not like I am giving advise on how to play. It is a discussion about changes and their potential effect on the site as a whole. Many people are happy, many people are pissed. Some will play the new system, some will change their game or start playing mtt's and stt's. Some will leave. The ones that leave are the important ones. But most only seem to care about the tables they play and they don't think about the site as a whole. And to say I have no knowledge about the subject because I don't play NLHE is LOL. Why do I need to play NLHE to know that rec players prefer 20-50 tables over 40-100? If they didn't then the FS guys would not have been complaining so much about how the fish didn't show up at their tables. Why do I need to play NLHE to have an opinion on what the CAP games should be called or if they should be hidden?

As for the SnG discussion thread question. Why would I care how many posts you have in a thread. As long as you are trying to help as a whole and are not just in the discussion promoting what is best for you and insulting everyone who does not agree with you and your game type.

lol...

It's all about perspective. For MOST players I predict this is the perspective you will experience:

- If you kept playing 100bb max NLHE, your games just got a LOT better/easier because the fish who came to the site to play NLHE won't be funneled to a confusing CAP game in NLHE clothing ... they will sit down with YOU now

- If you played 50bb max games, the NLHE games will seem more difficult because you will have the same pool of fish but also the NLHE players who never migrated to 50bb max and they know what they're doing and yes, they are tough and mad and want your money

- If you played 50bb max games, CAP games will seem more difficult because you won't have access to the NLHE fish now that CAP is properly labeled

My hope is that the NLHE games will actually get even easier in time as things settle out. The tough players will probably end up moving stakes because they can and in turn games will get easier.

How can the 100 bb games above.50/1 full ring be any better right now?

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Hopefully it gets better or brush up on your Blind play and OOp plays.

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When/if is HM Hud going to work for the new cap tables?

this thread is hilarious. actually most threads in internet poker are hilarious.

+1 please do this

why rules are changed so frequest as soon there are good number of hits on any site

english is hard

lol @ 30-100bb idea. I already see some ratholers shiping it for 40bb and running after "flip went well"
at 30bb it would be 2009 all over again, gTFO to CAP games

Theoretically the last day with 50bb max tables looks like this as of ~10:10 PM EST:

134 tables NLHE 100bb max
63 tables CAP
8 tables NLHE 50bb max
4 tables NLHE 250bb max

Get ready for the best looking online poker lobby these eyes shall ever see

I want to thank all the ratholers for keeping the fish fresh and alive for the last 9 months. They look good and better than ever . Now you guys can play your cap game with each other and the fullstack palyers get what they deserve

Well, if things stabilize with a third of the tables being cap, I guess most people will be happy. I'm encouraged that the results of the survey indicate recreational players disliked hit and running and Stars did something about it. My main concern was that people who liked playing 20bb wouldn't be able to because cap dried up.

Any word on how soft the mid stakes cap tables are?

Not sure why you think you "deserve" anything.

Sometimes I think they are super soft and other I can't find a table that has a fish on it. Usually if you start a table it'll end up having 1 or 2 fish since a lot of the 24 tablers just waitlist all tables until they have 24 going.

I'm still very skeptical on how long a fish will choose Cap over 40-100. I'm sure it's exciting to get all in lots but the game is almost all preflop especially with only 1 fish at the table. Imo, the lack of seeing flops will eventually drive fish away(at least from msnl).

We can hope so!

I play 25nlfr and man, the games are sooooooooo freakin juicy. The fish are having more fun too, cuz they get to chase that flush one street at a time now.

Standard migration pattern of the common player imo.

You're posts are actually really stupid.

First off, most ratholers were playing 24 tables, using huds, and playing tighter preflop than anybody else.

It is fact that the average winning full stack regular has a larger wr than a ratholer. For the last year, the games have gotten tougher and while all of you think that full stacked players are whining and are unable to adjust, that is simply not true. Most have adjusted and have gotten a lot better at poker as a result of the tougher games. But winrates overall have suffered.

In 2009 there winning full stack nits that ran with ridiculous stats like 9/8 at NL50. Its pretty rare to see a 9/8 nit reg at NL25 now and if you do they're probably losers.

Most winning regs are running stats more in the neighborhood of 15/12 or so, and as far as FR goes that is not very nitty.

Unlike ratholers, full stack players have to think about and assign hand ranges over multiple streets. If anybody is a hud bot, its the ratholer because all they have to do is get a good read on the opening raisers ( with their hud )range and decide whether to ship or fold.

good post lazyace.

it is funny how using a hud is used by ratholers to make players playing with a full stack to look bad when both groups use it

+1

lower stakes. NL50 means heads up cash players need to start with $1000 which is even beyond the initial deposit limit for some methods. And what beginner conscious of BRM wants to devote $1000 to what's essentially some hours of entertainment a day.