no one liked the way 20-50bb tables were introduced, i hated it at first and the games were actually better when they were 20-100bb, and the lobby is a mess right now, correct labelling at least makes it fair. i agree a separate tab for cap would be optimal, but the changes are for better. if fish wants to play cap tables, so be it. and your second statement doesn't make any sense.

they limit how much they can lose in a hand, avoid getting in to deep spots with pro players and dont have to sit with a bunch of nits and can actually get some action for their $$. i have high hopes tbh.

Why the obsession with hurting shortstack players? The main complaints people had about them was 1) ratholing sucks and 2) using a smaller stack size to limit deeper players options is 'not fair.'

CAP addresses both of these issues handily, as there is now no advantage to ratholing, and no way to exploit having a shorter stack than the rest of the table.

+1 for doing the same for plo

aaaaaaah, i can smell the desperation......

what stops the shorty regs to make a deal to leave table once they double up like before to keep their old system going if they see this new cap thing hurts them?

ive played about 10 nlhe hands this year out of the 136k hands ive played so you should probably go get your nose tested at a doctor. im just pumped that cap games give me a legit option.

we shall see how things unfold midstacker.....

Everyone hated it?
Read it again:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...tables-720944/
It's the same reaction you see now. I really really hope I am wrong on this as I see I am the only one who hates the change. I hope in 1-2 months you'll tell me "I told you so!" instead of me telling you that.

40-100BB for HUNL, No 25nl (rake is sick)

Then ur the best again PS.

Im so sick of getting the 20 bb stacks on my HU tables, i will never play them.

o m g and im so behind pace of elite. fml. this is amazing change

Please change PLO structures to the same as nlhe. ASAP!

this^ + a vertical table option plz

+1

nah, won't read it again. but i absolutely hated it from day one and i remember a lot of people concerned that 50bb maximum buy-in would be too much.

don't get me wrong, jon. of course it's far from perfect. i'd like if all shortstackers get cancer and die too, but they're pokerstars costumers that will never be overlooked in a change like this. at least they don't have an inherent unfair advantage with their shallow stacks anymore, everyone is the same at cap tables.

and i don't believe the majority of fish will be too much attracted by cap tables, when they try to shove the rest of their stack and realize they can't, they will probably think "wtf" and go to a regular table. cap is not the game they play in their home games and casinos.

well done stars looks like you will get the majority of my business again

The conspiracy picture was exactly right. nothing stops the deep stack regs from making the same deals either.

I think you are going to see alot of people enjoy playing 20bb CAP btw and what are you going to do then, force the market to play deep stack at gun point ?

Things evolve, poker has changed.

Deleting the 20bb-50bb tables is the worst decision Poker Stars has ever made. This is going to make thousands of players generate much less rake (many of them will just stop playing at Poker Stars). And also, there were thousands of players that had plans to reach a certain amount of VPP for this year and now they won't be able to do it. Hundreds of them even going for Supernova Elite, like me.

The solution wasn't removing those games, but just adding 20bb cap tables. Removing options is always bad. Poker Stars should give more options to their players, so it's more probable that they find something they like, and therefore generate rake. Changing one kind of table for this one (20bb cap) in practice will just make it impossible to play shortstacked at many tables, hurting lots of players, and making the poker room lose hundreds of millions of dollars.

Just to make happy some 2+2 users (the vast majority of them don't even play much, just whine, whine and whine here) you, Poker Stars, have made your worst decision ever. You are going to regret doing this.

So much for a big perspective!

Healty games >good for long term> more rake
20-50>not healthy> bad for long term.

GJ Stars, even tough u didnt have a choce cuz of FTP..

aaaahhhh, now i can smell it indeed

+ PLUS A MIRRON!

I'm a FT reg. You'll be seeing some more of me come Feb. Excellent change.

Shortstackers must be owning you all day long to hate them so much.

Relax man. I've played a ton of hands at NL50 20-50bb, and at NL50 20bb CAP.

At CAP, I get a higher win rate (I never have to give up position on a fish due to stack size considerations), more VPP per hand (CAP games are, for now at least, looser than their 20-50 counterpart), and more hands per hour (no need to leave and rejoin).

I personally don't think VPP should be your driving concern here, but if it is, I assure you this announcement is all upside for you.

+1

so the fishies still come play (and thats pretty standard for B&M too, 40bb min to whatever the max is)

you want fish to play as high as possible right?