You mean something similar to what was repeated eight posts above yours?

for the record:

read over respective german pokerstrategy thread. a bit mixed reactions on anti-ratholing, but all in all rather quiet. in the meetings strategy rep was in favor of changes. surveys show that recs are most annoyed by a) players constantly leaving/joining tables b) hit and run (surprise, surprise). rep lobbied for not including 100bb stacks into the ratholing solution. few but somewhat hefty reactions from some shorties.

I started a new thread about this here:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...ssion-1334874/

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28.../#post38620750


I ll continue to post my recap/thoughts in this thread as Steve releases his.

A perspective from here in australia.


And am only kidding dw.


Steve, can we have an update on the rest of the player meeting?

There isn't, and there's never likely to be, prolific rat-holing with 100BBs for obvious reasons. Even after mammoth sessions, a 24-tabler rarely runs up very large stacks on multiple tables, and even if he did, it's even rarer for there to be many other players as deep as him, plus he's less likely to want to leave those tables due to fact that those tables are often more likely to be softer than other tables, plus any player having been stacked by him and wishing to "win his money back" can only buy back for 100BB anyway, plus he won't be playing a style that relies on exploiting a lesser BB loophole, plus a whole host of other reasons that any idiot* should be able to work out for themselves.

40bb stacks have no mathematical advantage whatsoever over bigger stacks. But it seems like an ad hominem fallacy suffice to demonstrate they do

They would certainly have experience posting, leaving, and then coming back again.

40bb stacks have no advantage over a single 100 bb stack, but a 40 bb stack has an advantage over several 100bb stacks trying to play 100bb poker.

Another problem is that if the countdown will begin 20 hours from the last hand played, the MCC will be able to play only one session in 2 days

That is definitely a problem.

PS please make the countdown 40 hours.

what will happen to 100 bb ratholers, would they be forced to buying 200bb if they double up?
Also why plo rake cap is the same as NLHE? You are forced to see so much flops, kinda same as in HUNL, where rake cap is so much smaller to prevent insane rake payment, why not make rake cap like in HU or somewhere between HU and ring game.

6 hours I think the most is planning to play. 20 hours will not earn SNE

You know, it's possible to get SNE /w 100bbs. ];

These changes are too much affected my level of play, and that would play with 100 bb cover those limits will take time = loss SNE


may need to impose restrictions gradually (that there was an opportunity not to lose SNE), for example first 48 then 36 then 24 times or in the first go 6 hours and then every 12 hours and then every 18 hours. and by 2014 completely on the planned system

You made need to learn to how to play the game.

this

lol, I dont know how you "bumhunt" if you open sit.... obv when you open sit you have to play who ever sits you (not like in HU cash) and obv you have the right to decline/accept rematches as you wish (unless your opponent declines). It may seem from your post that you dont even play HUSNGs, so just stop throwing around with terms like "bumhunter" if you dont have a understanding of how HUSNGs works.

I like the ratholing solution very much. Thanks Pokerstars.

fwiw as a small-stakes player (both holdem and omaha) do you actually realise how much more challenging it is to achieve Supernova+ at PLO than NLHE?

In holdem there are a billion tables running right now at 50c/$1, maybe 15 total at PLO. Then there's the fact that I'm learning PLO, it's more complex preflop, has way more postflop play and there's simply no way your average player can play as many tables as they can play equivalent at NL. Especially when they're trying to learn the game. Add in the higher variance and it's no wonder plenty of players aren't hanging around.

Amazingly rake would fix this. Specifically at small stakes. Even if nowhere else. people move up from micros because of the overall poor player base. Then they get stuck in no-man's land battling the rake and a considerably tougher player pool at SS.

If you reduce rake across PLO50 and PLO100, suddenly guys are moving up more regularly. The midstakes guys are happy because fish like me are now sitting them. They're pillaging my BR and then moving up to 10/20 games to donate there. The natural order is restored.

You currently have a black hole at small stakes which is your entry level to being serious about poker and actually making a living from it, as well as a natural feeder system for the bigger games. While that remorseless rake devouring machine exists at those levels this game is going nowhere long term.

btw professionally ratholing do not leave the table after doubling and hobby players ratholing (which is ten times greater in number) will be enough 24 times a day, the difference will not be.

are you using google translator or something?

Has the rule sit out on one table, sit out on all been discussed? Or the table closing after 30 seconds of no hands played is the final solution?

What is gonna happen to midstacks on ZOOM? As i remember main argument against ratholing was that it breaks the table and creates a lot of waitlists, which is not the case for zoom.
Also there was a concern about "unfair advantage of shortstack on 100bb table" which is only the case for 40bb, not 50bb+ as some players figured out in a discussion with some pro shortstack in old thread.
Also noone gets mad about ratholing in ZOOM.
So whats the matter in ZOOM?

This is awesome! Pretty much what I've been suggesting all along

Someone else mentioned the idea of a lower per day rathole count, but to extend it over a longer period of time. Has there been consideration to something like 50 ratholes a week?

I guess I'm just worried that a workaround will be found.

If there's support for the idea, I'd love to be a part of the that message board for past reps.