wow....im learning more about "Stars" "Solar System", etc here than I did in school

Clearly you don't play and/or like NLO8.

In the 1 (one) tourney there are 40 donks out of 45 players.
So most of the times you win easily (the other 5 guys will make itm over 50% of the time) or you take a teribble beat. Both is not much fun.

Me and the other 4 guys would like to play a more interesting game and take it to another level. The way it is now everybody hates it and the tourney fills up slower and slower.

gold is pretty easy to reach in 2 days. Yes there is a big gap between gold and platinum, but it would be dumb to change it.

You give a compelling argument.

Solution: get rid of the top heavy scheme and give 27% rakeback to all players who reach 10.000 VPPs.

Palladium

Look I read what the guy from Pokerstars said but i am still only getting 2 times the fpps until i reach that platinum level which is way to far away. It just makes no sense and yes you added on the other rewards but it still does not add up to that much more of a rakeback. I look at this way if you add a new level and i received 2.5 fpps it truly would give me a greater incentive to play cause my rakeback would truly move up. I would also advise you guys to make a step between Supernova and Supernova Elite. Though I am not there that is just a ridiculous jump.

Any player has goals. For your site it is the steps that we can reach. Once you feel a goal is not attainable you begin to feel like you are not receiving anything for your play. ( I am a winning player) If I had something to shoot for I would play more at Stars instead of FTP because for OMAHA the games are better and there is more action. But the 27% rake is always there no matter how many points i earn. It makes you feel like you earn something every hand.

It does not have to be called iron that is not my point here. The point is there are a lot of people who think like me. I do play there and i usually earn about 4k a month on average. ( i have gotten to platinum before) But show me a goal to reach. For instance, I have a friend who is a small time player on stars all he does every five minutes is click to see how many more points he needs to clear that 10.00 bonus and to see how far that green line has moved. I guess everyone has something gets them going.

For you players who are playing higher limits or 20 tables at a time and making supernova elite then that is great but for the small timer like me who plays around 2 hours a day it does not pay off unless i am getting that extra half fpp as an incentive.

It is up to you stars but I know a lot of small time players that think the same way and they dont even get rake on FTP so they start losing interest once they reach a point at which they feel they can not get by. They still play of course but not looking at their status every 10 minutes seeing how many nore fpps they need to clear that stage. Just food for thought.

I agree, the faster they can promote small stakes players up the ladder the better for the game.

At 5250 VPP's make them Gold+Plus and give them 2.25 FPP's per VPP.

This would be a great addition and not require much of any change except tweaking the FPP multiplier by .25.

It would keep thousands of players on the tables longer trying to achieve this next level. Then once they do achieve it they will eyeball the Platinum level as a new goal.

The OP is right, there are thousands of players of a certain type who don't believe they can make the jump to Platinum. But if you give them a small boost such as Gold+Plus, then they will see it is achievable.

This would help all players. What is good for just such a type to benefit is good for all.

I'm surprised PokerStars has not figure this out yet. I'm sure they will, and it's never to late to begin, even now into February.

I think from the players perspective your better off playing on just one site for maximum RB. With the stellar rewards you are getting a good percentage of RB on Stars, and if you could up your play a little more you'd be able to hit SN by years end and enjoy 3.5fpp for all of 2011. If you include the 1mil freerolls and the added perks like tomorrows Berlin FPP tourney with 1 package added then maybe Pstars is the right choice for you. Even as a Silver or Gold member there are added perks like Sundays Berlin FPP Tourney with 1 seat added. If I were you I'd take some time and do the math on what gives you the best deal money wise. And if it's close then I'd consider the other factors such as security, CS, software and game selection.

but at time FTP does not have a s good action so i go on to stars for some time. I would rather play at FTP all the time for my 27%. I wish i could get the games going 24/7 but stars always has it going on. But even .25 i would accept. There are nights when the games at FTP suck and I am already at gold and say screw it i am not getting anything to play there so why should I. I know i get FPP's but not at a high enough rate to justify my play in my opinion. I have days there where i make 600 FPPS in a two hours(usually tilting like 7 tables omaha) but to receive twice the amount that is awful.(IMO) Now if they said you move up .25 and then another .25 and maybe make platinum 2.75. FIne if not then they just don't lose my buisiness they lose a lot of business. The problem is really their system. It is flawed. By having set goals that are unattainable you lose business. Isn't that a basic business philosophy. Player who get Supernova are probably not caring but really supernova elite is a joke to reach.

I like this idea. I'm one of the players that can obtain gold status on stars monthly, but have no really change of platinum unless I want to have no live. I never really have any ambition to reach platinum because it’s so out of reach. A level between gold and platinum might just give me the edge I need to get platinum which would also give me a good change to reach SN.

Not everyone is on pace for 500,000 vpps, especially those who have day jobs and come home to grind for fun after work. The last couple months i have hit gold with about a week or so left in the month so anything after that is just wasting vpps that would be better off for next month. So i do other things till the first of the month rolls by. I have grinded platinum one time so i can buy stuff in the store should the need ever arise.

I think the gap between bronze and silver is too big. I say they decrease it.

they already have

nice try but that gap is not even close to the one i am talking about and bronze is free and anyone can reach silver if they are a basic micro player. gold to platinum is a lose on their part.

Another for instance at FTP they have iron man which is not a ton but gets me to play for the 100 to 200 points every day which gets me to play. Now does iron man earn me a ton, no but i am now on my 40th month and i receive gold every month which gives me almost 600 medals a month with everything which i can exchange for four 26.00 tokens or a 100.00 bonus(rake does get hit) but it is still a goal and last month one of those tokens earned me 650.00 in a tourney. Everyday on there i set a goal to earn my 100 or 200 points if i get iron man i get over 1000 medals a month. FTP is way ahead here by giving people targets. I think PS needs a lot of work to catch up. Then the Iron man 6 month bonus is another 900 a year with a target that makes me set a number i need to reach each day to earn that bonus.

SOrry guys i am not phil ivey. I work a full time and play around 15 hours a week tops. So throw me a bone PS i can use it and well from what i read on here and with other people i talk to you can help yourself by doing this.

Why would phil ivey be playing on stars? He gets mad RB on FTP.

if anything they need have a step between supernova and supernova elite

no they dont

platinum is too big of jump lower platinum

Seems like they just lowerd platinum from 10k to 7500.............man up and play more ya babies.

Highly unnecessary for as the higher stakes you play, you VPP should be increasing exponentially. Stars doesn't want you just adding two more tables to your current play to jump to the next level. They want you playing in higher stakes, or adding 6 more tables, or playing 5 more hours per week.

i agree with the step between supernova and supernova elite except that used properly supernova is about or more than the 26% rake. and the idiot who said pokerstars does not need to add a new level. you are right but they are just losing business. It makes no sense from a business standpoint.

OP why don't you just ask for new level at exact (here put your realistic monthly vpp rate) VPP point....

NO NO NO, from a business standpoint Stars would not be making as much if they added a level between gold and platinum. The whole point of the VIP system is keep players who play a lot to CONTINUE PLAYING. This is why they made the silver VIP level easier to achieve. The idea is to make the beginners and small volume players to keep playing by giving them a little bit of incentive. If you are already at gold, you're probably not going to stop suddenly anytime soon. If they add a level between gold and platinum they are pretty much giving away free VPPs to players that are ALREADY PLAYING A LOT. Bronze players struggling to hit silver are much more likely to quit than gold players struggling to hit platinum.

Think about it are you really going to quit poker when you are a supernova just because you can't hit supernova elite??

They do. In fact they have several levels. Check the information on their VIP pages on their website. Big bonuses at 200k VPP, 300k VPP, 400k VPP etc, all the way to 1M VPP. The players who are actually going to have a chance of getting there will know all about it, and as for those who have no chance of getting there, well it's really irrelevant whether they know or not.

Just because they don't give each level a gimmicky name doesn't mean they aren't there.


Would be fascinating to know the VIP level of each of the posters itt.