The responses in this thread have been mostly pathetic and terrible. I do not know Ivanhoe, but I wish him luck if he is innocent, and I haven't seen a shred of evidence that indicates otherwise.

I guess this means Stars just assumes you are guilty untill proven innocent..and it's impossible to prove you are innocent when there's simply no evidence. They did not accuse me of anything in their last two emails where they told me my account would be closed forever. I don't know what they think I have done wrong. They just told me 'we don't want your business'.

I really hope Stars responds to my last email telling me what they think I did wrong, or that a PS rep posts in here, as they have done in similar cases on 2+2 before.

When they don't, just keep in mind this could happen to any and all of you at any given time.

Let's assume that Ivan is telling the truth... 6 hacked or more likely probably charge back accts. played him and only him... therefore that's not a coincidence. The question is are these accounts related to him.... or is it a bitter reg that wants to get him banned?

Since Stars can't 100% say which one it is they let him keep his money but ban him due to the inherent risk. Remember charge backs cost Stars money... not the players.


Now lets flip this the other way for a minute. What do you think Stars would do if the risk wasn't to come out of their bottom lines but the players?

Lets say I emailed Stars and said I think 2 people are colluding... they look at the accts and say yeah there is a connection but it's not 100% conclusive... do they ban the accounts or do they let them keep playing knowing that there is a higher risk then usual that they might be colluding. In this case the risk is on potential victims (players) and not Stars.

Something to think about.

OK. I don't know if you are innocent, but try this. Contact Stars and offer to send them all computers and or hard drives that you have used to play on their sites, for their inspection and analysis. Obviously, do not delete any files, do not clear free clusters, etc. Send them anything and everything. Good luck.

Ivan, whats your Stars/FTP Name?

I dont think Stars banned him for bumhunting, otherwise they would insta ban Kaintd and few other very extreme ones too.

It could be grimming, if you did that I guess. But stars usually warns you, maybe first bans you for a month? Have you never had any issues before?

Maybe someone reported youa nd it has nothing to do with the accounts you played that day, what Location were they from? You have a long relationship with stars and ftp, I think there is surely more than what we know so far.

There is no chance that it has anything to do with griming assuming those emails he showed are real. It's about the accts he played that day. Issues such as him being a grimer or a nice guy or a bad guy should have no relevance in this case.

have u tried this?
stars cant comment publicly on security issues with individual accounts unless u give them permission to because of privacy concerns

i would also try PMing PokerStars Michael J to see if he can act as a liason in getting a response. he has been helpful in the past in cases like these

My Stars name is the same as it is here, Lvanhoe, mind the L, not a capital i. I never grimmed on stars, I know for a fact that it's forbidden so it would be extremely stupid to engage in such behaviour for such a small edge.

I remember some of the accounts being from Sweden, the others I don't know. I am not from Sweden.

Let's hope Stars can at least provide a reason for the ban, the stonewalling (albeit understandable) is what really tilts me in these cases.

Yes, it's Stars' reserved right to deny service to anyone for any reason within the law, but banning someone after years of play and presumably no warning sounds grossly unfair.

I have asked Pokerstars Micheal J to comment in this topic, and asked investigations again to provide me a reason why I am being banned. I hope this has any merit.

I agree. I understand security and privacy concerns but they could give the affected party at least a primitive vague explanation that doesnt compromise either imho.

For example, we have suspicions you could have been involved in fraud, or, we have decided to no longer accept your business because of your past behavior at the tables ect.

At the end of the day, stars did a good job, at least it seems that way.

There if no proof of Ivans fault but tendencies. Big tendencies.
If there are 6 accounts hacked whome lost (regular) but only to him.

How should stars deal with this?
It is a difficult situation. It is in most of the time like:
You know he is guilty but you cant proof it 100 %. In life there is no 100 % but is 90 % not enough? We are not at court and humans decide by their feeling of fearness. They wont tell us this anyway.

I would think stars could live and should live with the fact they are punishing an innocent. You have to bring victims if the ratio is something like 1 to 10 and i am sure it is way higher. (1 to 1000 or something like that). *

I would recommend you to ask stars after some time of.
It would make sense for them to reopen your account because they dont have 100 % of you wrongdoing.

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With ratio i mean former experience with same occurrences.
I mean common, how probable are 6 hacked account whome lost to one player.
(i gotta admit, it sounds stupid to do that because it would be to obvious).
Here it is getting tricky. Argumenting with other players who did it on purpose to get you banned isnt sounding credible.

Try your best know. Play it cool and ask after 3 - 6 month.
Plan the between time good. (changing ips etc.)

regards

glgl

If I were a HU reg this would make me paranoid.

All it takes is one guy doing a chargeback on multiple accounts playing me to get me banned for life?

If you play ring games and tournaments, bumhunting (or even playing vs. anyone) HU at anything 2/4 or higher now comes with an incredibly small but very annoying lossrate / opportunity cost / risk of BAN4LIFE due to something like this.

Those fishy accounts that dump $317.83 to you at a 3/6 game, some days you might get a few fish and that's a good day. Now you have to run the risk that the money was not legit and somehow that's your fault? Then GG ever playing the sunday million or the WCOOP again.

Sounds incredibly dumb and unlucky, provided OP is providing the true story.

the issue has also been actively discussed on hsplo bbv thread. i moved the posts to its own thread on hsplo since i didnt wanna move them here and create a cluster **** and hard-to-follow thread. link here PokerStars account locked

Stars really wants back into the USA, they are going to shut any account with a hint of impropriety, End of story.

I stake with 85 players on Stars, 2 of my players have been banned for very loosy goosy reasons. One for just sharing an internet cafe IP with some other players. They played about 100-150 games together mostly 2-5k plus entries, but 1-2 18 mans. Unless my player is lying about the reason ie, they played cash together. It was pretty wild speculation on Stars part that anything could possibly have been wrong.

Untill Stars is able to come up with a different reason in this case, this in fact seems to be the case. One guy randomly choosing you to play could in fact get you banned for life. I have given full disclosure here and will continue to do so untill this is resolved. I still hope someone from senior management contacts me to talk this through and find a solution to get my account open again.

Lol, obviously you are way more intelligent than me and 95% of this forum but can you keep your LSD licking hippie crap in your own thread?
OP is banned without no reason and all you people do (most people) is believing Stars part of it. Until it happens to you.
About time Stars is going to tell WHY he is banned, since he can keep the money won from accounts they just state that they dont have a case.

I don't think that's the stance they will take as they value customers.

Hans and to anyone else who thinks that Stars should ban someone with only pretty good proof to air on the side of caution.

What would happen if you were playing against 6 people that you suspected were colluding against you. After a review Stars says that there is some connection between the players but not 100% conclusiveness...

Tell me what should they do? Ban the 6 players or let them keep playing?

What do you think they'd do if brought this type of scenario?

Kind of edgy what?

A good reason is, if someone breaks their policy. This easy.

a.
You did not understand what i wrote.

b.
I was not clear enough.

c.
This isnt an open discussion, you allready made your point and try to defend it without deal with the opposite opinions.


This stuff is about basic probabilities.

Every normal human beeing with an average intelligence wont buy of this "what if they set it up"?
Who would do that?
Why did it not happened to others?

In this instance, if it is true, it is just an examption. As i said, it is 1 to 1000.
It wont matter till this happens to a lot of players. Until than, this case is basicly solved right.

If this is the accusation and they god proof.(Those accounts only played against him). They are 98 % sure, he is involved in this.

He has not an clear proof of innocence by the way.
Allthough i understand his point, if it is legit.

He did what he always does and from out of the left he is into something he did not realised. In this case, he is just one of those guys who booked a flight ticked but the plane is full.

How could this happen?
It is just an basic business choice based on probabilities. The probabilities arent lying if you got good data.

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This means, every know and then an innocent player with get catched instead of an guilty one but the ratio is 1 to 10 000. So in 5 Years it will happen to one innocent player while 9 999 guilty ones are banned correct.


regards

I am sure if he could proof he is innocent, they would open his account.
First thing would be to find out the real reason for getting banned.
We need the opinion of Stars!!!.
Afterwards we can make an objection plan.